Ex-SolarCity employees: We were fired after reporting millions in fake sales • Hacker News Board

Re: Ex-SolarCity employees: We were fired after reporting millions in fake sales

#191

Post by topmonk » Thu, Aug 02, 2018, 2:39 AM UTC

ameister14 wrote: post #190

topmonk wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No true Scotsman, eh? I didn't know the author mattered, but now it does. What's next? Written at the wrong time? Then at the wrong place? Not long enough? Too obscure? Sigh... I'm done with your treasure hunt. Now, if you'll excuse me, I feel rather dirty and I need to go take a shower.

Not really no true Scotsman. Opinions are sent in by people to be published in a part of the newspaper that is not actually affiliated with the newspaper's staff, and Forbes is famous for selling article space to PR. It's not changing the goalposts to point out that these are not journalists, and they themselves would not call themselves journalists. Using the true scotsman example, this is more like you brought me a…

> It's not changing the goalposts to point out that these are not journalists, and they themselves would not call themselves journalists.

What? You asked “could you easily find 5 articles or clips that are genuinely supportive and praising Trump?”

You never mentioned whether they had to be written by journalists or not.

--

All I did was search for “positive Trump articles” in Google and this came up. I spent all of 5 minutes.

How about this, you find me 5 articles written by 5 “true” journalists at Breitbart and Foxnews supporting Hillary Clinton and I'll find a way to say you didn't do as I asked.

Re: Ex-SolarCity employees: We were fired after reporting millions in fake sales

#192

Post by manicdee » Thu, Aug 02, 2018, 2:59 AM UTC

mikeash wrote: post #184

manicdee wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nothing on the front page suggests that anything has been updated. Title is still “Ex-SolarCity employees: We were fired after reporting millions in fake sales.”

Did Tesla get back to them, and did the story change?

How do I know that a story I read yesterday has changed? Am I supposed to go back and read stories like this every day for some indefinite period?

Re: Ex-SolarCity employees: We were fired after reporting millions in fake sales

#193

Post by manicdee » Thu, Aug 02, 2018, 3:00 AM UTC

acdha wrote: post #180

manicdee wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nothing on the front page suggests that anything has been updated. Title is still “Ex-SolarCity employees: We were fired after reporting millions in fake sales.”

That headline is still a literal statement of fact even if that triggers the emotional reaction which inspired you to donate your PR skills pro bono. The article clearly explained that these were claims made in a lawsuit brought by former employees and anyone who passed a civics class knows that someone can claim anything but you should wait to see what’s upheld in court.

How do I know that the story has been updated since I read it? Am I supposed to read every story every day to make sure that I see future updates?

Re: Ex-SolarCity employees: We were fired after reporting millions in fake sales

#194

Post by paidleaf » Thu, Aug 02, 2018, 12:46 PM UTC

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #30

paidleaf wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Certainly a lot of short sellers ( and bulls ) spreading rumors online, but this seems more like the continuation of the war between elon musk and journalists. There have been a surprising number of hit pieces by a number of news companies against musk and his companies lately. I think I've seen more negative news articles concerning elon musk in the past 4 months than the 4 years before that. There seems to be a pat…

> the war between elon musk and journalists Elon is attempting to maneuver Tesla through a tight operating and financial envelope. He is doing so with public funding. Of course you're going to have a lot of debate about what he's doing. Journalists being critical isn't them launching a war, it's them attempting to leave no stone unturned.

> Elon is attempting to maneuver Tesla through a tight operating and financial envelope.

He's been attempting that maneuver for more than a decade.

> He is doing so with public funding.

You mean private funding? Raising money on the stock market isn't public funding.

> Of course you're going to have a lot of debate about what he's doing.

That's my point. He's been doing everything you've said forever. It's just the past 4 months where journalists have started to write hit pieces. How come they were so quiet in the past?

> Journalists being critical isn't them launching a war, it's them attempting to leave no stone unturned.

No. Considering some journalists have openly asked their fellow journalists on twitter to come forward with sex abuse or negative stories on elon musk after musk criticized the media, I don't think your argument holds much water.

It's obvious musk despises the news media ( he openly stated so ). And it's obvious journalists hate criticism and will lash out at anyone. The question is whether vindictiveness on both sides will subside. I highly doubt it will from journalists considering their terrible track record and of course their desire for ratings. So I expect a lot of hit pieces on musk and tesla. The question is will elon musk back down. My hope is that he will focus on his companies and his goals rather than being dragged into a neverending petty argument with journalists.