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Re: Please stop asking me to use the app

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Post by bevax »

wincy wrote: post #106
ploggingdev wrote: post #60

> now it's a floating bar at the bottom when reading comments that for some reason I can't get rid of despite the x button The x button works for me, but when I load an other page it reappears. So reddit wants me to dismiss the floating bar for every page I visit on the site. I'm curious to learn about the thinking behind building out such dark patterns. Have the reddit employees tried using the site on mobile while…

I mean they probably justify it with “the boss told me to do this, so I will because I live in San Francisco and my rent is $2500 a month and I want to keep my job”. It’s hard to make a stand when someone else will just do it.

In that case you have the wrong employer.

Re: Please stop asking me to use the app

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Post by zerostar07 »

zmmmmm wrote: post #48

It's kind of fascinating that seems like there is some kind of force that drives popular web sites to eventually self-sabotage themselves out of existence. Reddit seems to be having a good go at it now. I sort of get how it happens but I can't quite understand how the level of stupidity required by management is achieved in practice to actually do it.

Its a disease caused by the unhealthy VC-funded growth model. When major websites don't care about advertising income, the advertisers are left to become scammier and scammier as smaller websites don't have the power to wield positive change for their users.

Re: Please stop asking me to use the app

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Post by richjdsmith »

petters wrote: post #127
minimaxir wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you are on iOS, I recommend scheduling Do Not Disturb at night.

I agree this is great and I use it on Android, but it is not a good solution to the spammy notification problem. Apps get one chance. One instance of spam and they are banned from ever notifying again.

>Apps get one chance. One instance of spam and they are banned from ever notifying again.

I've been following this rule for over a year now and am down to very few apps that have any notification permissions these days. Maybe 5-10 of the near 30 apps on my phone are still allowed my attention.

Re: Please stop asking me to use the app

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Post by zerostar07 »

taneq wrote: post #84
zmmmmm wrote: post #48

It's kind of fascinating that seems like there is some kind of force that drives popular web sites to eventually self-sabotage themselves out of existence. Reddit seems to be having a good go at it now. I sort of get how it happens but I can't quite understand how the level of stupidity required by management is achieved in practice to actually do it.

Create -> Monetize -> Expand -> Exploit -> Destroy It's a common commercial lifecycle for all sorts of things. You make a new thing. You find a way to make money from the thing. You expand your market for the thing by filling a need and treating your customers well. At some point you want to cash out, and start burning your userbase to make extra money. Eventually this destroys the whole thing.

it's not common. most businesses do not wait years until they capriciously decide to make money. that's because most businesses are not funded by the silicon valley, it's float or die.

Re: Please stop asking me to use the app

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Post by boobsbr »

kristianp wrote: post #108

People are complaining about reddit here, but it applies equally to every other online company, especially bloody Medium! It's the main reason I wish people would stop using Medium to host their blogs, because there's an uncloseable "open in app" button in the middle of the content.

YES! Also the header and cookies bar that takes up to 25% of the screen space on my crappy phone.

I don't want your Cookies, dammit.

Re: Please stop asking me to use the app

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Post by majewsky »

mintplant wrote: post #103
underwater wrote: post #11

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Ironically the mobile site is a full single page app, while the desktop site (or at least the old one) was mostly server rendered. It's not impossible to create a fast mobile client rendered site (Twitter have done well) but it's certainly not as easy as it is with plain old HTML.

Funny that you cite Twitter here. Their mobile site tells me I'm rate limited half the time I land on it.

The fix is to switch the browser to "Desktop Mode" (i.e. make it advertise a desktop User-Agent). That redirects you to the desktop site, which is never ratelimited. I wonder why. cough

(Note: I do this with Firefox for Android. No idea if other mobile browsers have a similar "Desktop Mode" feature.)

Re: Please stop asking me to use the app

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Post by majewsky »

jjcm wrote: post #157
goostavos wrote: post #114

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I've been trying to pin down _why_ I've had the same reaction as you, but I really can't put my finger on it. Something about the new site just somehow puts me off. While I could mindlessly browse the old site endlessly, something about the new actively makes me want to close the tab. Either way, a good thing.

I think what it is is that we associate the old design with good times. We associate it with those deep, late night discussions about something esoteric from back when reddit was a smaller but more knowledgable community. Like any social site, as it grows the average quality decreases. Today reddit is the #10 most popular site worldwide, and largely the discussions are bandwagony / low effort. For me when I see the s…

This cannot be all of it. I've never been a Reddit user besides the occasional research e.g. in the wiki of /r/BuildAPC. But even I am put off by the new design. Possible explanations:

1. It looks like a mobile app. I hate most of the mobile ecosystem for its horrible information density and dark UI patterns.

2. You cannot find shit. The only way to open a subreddit's wiki in the new UI is to append "/wiki" to the URL, from what I can tell.

3. It looks like a social network (i.e. a waste of time) and less like a forum/message board (i.e. a productive community).

Re: Please stop asking me to use the app

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Post by nailer »

justinclift wrote: post #179
iamdave wrote: post #120

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I've come to loathe this about social networking sites. Twitter (which I use for sports buffoonery and hot takes from the community) is the absolute worst about this. "Hey your friend did a thing, go congratulate them" "Hey, a friend knows this person. Go follow them too" "Hey, your friend just posted a picture of spaghetti, go signal your approval" Hey. How about I check in and interact with my friends on my time in…

Yeah, I deleted my Twitter account a while ago when they started to put random crap into my "Notifications", and it couldn't be turned off. Keeping on using a service like that just encourages further bad behaviour.

The worst is moments. It's an entire tab dedicated to celebrity culture and left politics. If I wanted Buzzfeed I'd visit Buzzfeed.
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