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Re: IRC.com Bought by London Trust Media, Pledges an IRC Revival

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Post by rasengan »

jacquesm wrote: post #109
ummjackson wrote: post #23

London Trust Media recently hired Mt. Gox (yes that Mt. Gox) ex-CEO Mark Karpeles as CTO. https://www.engadget.com/2018/04/22/mt-gox-chief-returns-as-...

That's pretty tone-deaf. No matter what the guys qualities are that name is toxic.

Sure, but at the same time, someone who is unwilling to give second chances to the pioneers who took risks before them -- that's more toxic.

I want this society to work. And I refuse to let such a chilling effect of fear of failure stop our society from progressing.

We all know that you learn best from mistakes. And we, as a society, have gotten much stronger and more resilient.

Re: IRC.com Bought by London Trust Media, Pledges an IRC Revival

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Post by dikiaap »

nopacience wrote: post #159
alanpost wrote: post #150

We do customer support over IRC, on Freenode and OFTC. Particularly with the availability of web clients on Freenode, casual IRC users can reach us with minimal hassle while long-time users idle and voice when they're highlighted or the discussion interests them. My experience of Freenode is improved since PIA's involvement. Staff lurk in our channel on-hand to help if something comes up. Last month when services wen…

Support over IRC is historical in open source. irc.perl.org -- perl language support and development irc.mozilla.org -- mozila related support and development irc.freenode.net has many support channels: #mysql #postgresql #vim #emacs #nodejs #css #javascript #python #manjaro -- manjaro linux distro #archlinux -- arch linux distro #freebsd #linux #vuejs -- horrible support (frontend channel) #angularjs -- horrible sup…

#vuejs is created by Evan You. As a topic on the channel, he seems abandoned the channel and suggest people go to Gitter for active support.

Re: IRC.com Bought by London Trust Media, Pledges an IRC Revival

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Post by d4mi3n »

justin66 wrote: post #168
nopacience wrote: post #76

Long live IRC There will always be new platforms like slack, discord, gitter, and whatever. IRC was and still is great. IRC is simple, its text, its stable. Its simple to program on and a lot can be done above it. IRC is open. The basis of old internet protocols are simple, open and powerful Email, IRC, HTML, FTP And as the article points out, irc has no face. IRC was a time people had to ask for a picture. Different…

> The basis of old internet protocols are simple, open and powerful > Email, IRC, HTML, FTP FTP sucked back in the day and it still sucks. Otherwise, yeah.

While I agree with GP's sentiment, FTP is not what I'd call a simple protocol.

Re: IRC.com Bought by London Trust Media, Pledges an IRC Revival

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Post by shitloadofbooks »

nopacience wrote: post #76

Long live IRC There will always be new platforms like slack, discord, gitter, and whatever. IRC was and still is great. IRC is simple, its text, its stable. Its simple to program on and a lot can be done above it. IRC is open. The basis of old internet protocols are simple, open and powerful Email, IRC, HTML, FTP And as the article points out, irc has no face. IRC was a time people had to ask for a picture. Different…

Do you connect with a 1200 baud acoustic coupler modem or are you average person who uses a fibre connection and off-the-shelf router?

Do you take a horse and cart to work or are you an average person who drives a car or catches the train?

Do you mill your own bread, or are you an average person who eats machine milled and produced bread?

Do you pump and sanitize your own water, or are you an average person who turns on the tap?

Calling people "average" for not using outdated and poorly designed applications that were written by 1 or 2 people in their spare time, versus applications and services designed by tens-to-hundreds of people, with the input of designers, UI and UX engineers, etc is moronic.

IRC, FTP, SMTP, Token Ring, etc are as good as they could have been at the time, but they are awful by modern standards. We should learn from them and design better successors.

Re: IRC.com Bought by London Trust Media, Pledges an IRC Revival

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Post by _emacsomancer_ »

dmitriid wrote: post #129
nopacience wrote: post #76

Long live IRC There will always be new platforms like slack, discord, gitter, and whatever. IRC was and still is great. IRC is simple, its text, its stable. Its simple to program on and a lot can be done above it. IRC is open. The basis of old internet protocols are simple, open and powerful Email, IRC, HTML, FTP And as the article points out, irc has no face. IRC was a time people had to ask for a picture. Different…

I resent that you resent "average people". I'm an average person (with 17 years of professional programming career behind me). I wouldn't give two craps about IRC in 2018. Yes, I really enjoy having a smooth cross-platform experience with inline media, public and private chat rooms, search, file transfers etc. without having to set anything up and without having to deal with half-baked poorly implemented clients who…

Back in the day, lots of 'normal people' used irc too.

I like things with open standards, so that people can use the tools that work for them. Bob can use the Gmail web interface to send and receive email, and Sally can use gnus in Emacs to send and receive email on her own local server.

Re: IRC.com Bought by London Trust Media, Pledges an IRC Revival

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Post by _emacsomancer_ »

progval wrote: post #180
beefhash wrote: post #17

As a routine user of IRC: This scares – nay, terrifies – me. London Trust Media is colossal. They seem to have control over freenode and Snoonet, two networks basically unchallenged in their niche. Snoonet hasn't been doing so well since Discord, but that's another story. They also seem to own Private Internet Access. If a player becomes too big, they'll change the rules of the game. Just look at the state of Interne…

> server-side storage of history You can do that with a bouncer. Slack and Discord are essentially a chat server with an integrated bouncer. > mobile-friendly data usage How is IRC not mobile-friendly? It only transports the raw text, not even "X is writing a message" notifications. > first class support for emoji Most clients support UTF-8, isn't it only a matter of fonts?

Though setting up an IRC bouncer is not exactly a trivial task. (It's one of the things on my summer to-do list.)

Re: IRC.com Bought by London Trust Media, Pledges an IRC Revival

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Post by j45 »

seba_dos1 wrote: post #147
j45 wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Slack is inspired by irc and uses irc's core approach of channels, usernames, messaging, bots, and more.

And how exactly does that make it an IRC client?

Didn't say it was an irc client, but that it's today's (equivalent) of an irc client.

It's kind of laid out like some irc clients, have you used an irc client before?

Re: IRC.com Bought by London Trust Media, Pledges an IRC Revival

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Post by _emacsomancer_ »

igetspam wrote: post #58
beefhash wrote: post #17

As a routine user of IRC: This scares – nay, terrifies – me. London Trust Media is colossal. They seem to have control over freenode and Snoonet, two networks basically unchallenged in their niche. Snoonet hasn't been doing so well since Discord, but that's another story. They also seem to own Private Internet Access. If a player becomes too big, they'll change the rules of the game. Just look at the state of Interne…

So... you want to rebuild Slack? Why not just use Slack. I don't imagine the vast majority of people still using IRC want or need any of the things you listed as "common needs of today." I've been using IRC almost daily for a couple decades now and can't think of a single instance of someone saying "you know what we need? persistent logging and profile pictures and a graphical picture of poop!" Don't do this. You're…

Maybe to extend a good open standard. Which would also be of benefit to people currently using it. Personally, I'm not keen on using some proprietary, inflexible solution like Slack. To me referring to this as 'rebuilding Slack' is sort of like talking about Thunderbird or Gmail as 'rebuilding Facebook Messenger'.

Re: IRC.com Bought by London Trust Media, Pledges an IRC Revival

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Post by _emacsomancer_ »

pmoriarty wrote: post #28
ve55 wrote: post #10

I'm interested to see how they manage to convince communities to use their IRC services over competitors like Discord when so many users see Discord as easy, free, trendy, etc. Of course services liks Slack, Telegram, Skype, etc, are also potential competitors in this ecosystem. >IRC Gaming (We're going to have literally hundreds of thousands in cash prizes!) I suppose literally paying users money is one way, but it…

Are there any open source Discord clients? So far, I've refused to try it because the only client Gentoo has is a binary blob.

I haven't used Discord in a while, but when I did I just ended up logging in via a browser. (The binary blob client had some major cpu/memory issues when I tried it.)
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