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Intel CEO resigns after relationship with employee

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Re: Intel CEO resigns after relationship with employee

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Post by coryfklein »

rsp1984 wrote: post #186
stinos wrote: post #131

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so having a consensual relationship with anyone involved in the organisation is a bad thing ... If she got promoted, would it be because of her work, or her relationship with the boss? I'm not sure if I buy this completely. You see, a manager is human after all which means he/she is going to like some people more than others. There is always some kind of relationship with all the others, no way around it. Now obvious…

This exactly. Or looked at it the other way: If two people have feelings for each other but suppress resulting actions due to company policy, how would that not influence decision making?

There's a difference between the feeling, "hey that manager I pass in the halls occasionally is attractive", and "I am in love with that manager".

The first is unavoidable, and although we try to correct for it in internal hiring/promotion processes by referencing assessments from multiple persons and making a data-driven decision, the second is completely avoidable by not dating the person!

After having graduated high school, most adults don't just fall into relationships. It is reasonable to assume intent is present once the connection between two individuals can be considered a "relationship" in this context.

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Post by osullivj »

daeken wrote: post #147
paulddraper wrote: post #111

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> Why are US companies always so aggressive about moralising these issues? Or consider Mozilla's week-long CEO who years earlier donated $1000 to a popular ballot initiative supported by most California voters. Be careful how you vote, citizen. Your livelihood depends on it.

I really liked that you skipped over what that ballot initiative was. He donated in support of Prop 8, an attempt to ban same-sex marriage in California. As a former Mozilla employee, I'm pretty glad that he was ousted for his homophobia. Good riddance.

Being anti gay marriage isn't necessarily homophobic. I'm a straight male in the middle of a divorce, and I share an apartment with a gay male friend. Divorce is an ugly and painful process, and the only sure way to avoid it is to avoid marriage. Gay marriage will inevitably mean gay divorce. Haven't gay people suffered enough already?

Re: Intel CEO resigns after relationship with employee

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Post by stordoff »

tfha wrote: post #71
et2o wrote: post #36

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Just not people you have a supervisory role over, because obviously that could be coercive.

Any relationship could be coercive. But just because it's possible for a relationship to be coercive doesn't mean that it is going to be. I don't see what's wrong with a supervisor dating a suboridinate if both parties are consenting and the supervisor is not abusing their power. This taboo has never made much sense to me. The supervisor can already be abusive towards their subordinates. You don't need to introduce a…

Even if the supervisor isn't abusing their power, it can still be an issue. It can lead to people thinking "Is there going to be come back if I break up with this person?".

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Post by gascan »

ansible wrote: post #138
InTheArena wrote: post #93

Intel is in serious trouble right now.They accidentally gaffed recently and stated that their goal was "to keep AMD from getting more then 10-20% of the server market" while they deal with a whole bunch of engineering and fab problems with their current generation of chips. They are also looking down the barrel of Apple abandoning Intel, and for the first time in two decades, unleashing a true X86 competitor to the m…

> Intel is in serious trouble right now. The whole semiconductor industry is in trouble right now, though few seem to feel the weight of the issue. We are looking at just a couple process nodes at best before we reach the end of the road for silicon lithography. Sure, there will be further tweaks on existing techniques which will squeeze out small improvements in power, performance and density. But long gone are the…

We may discover the stagnant generation-to-generation performance uplift over the past ~10 years was mostly due to lack of competition in the market.

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Post by sampl »

y4mi wrote: post #180
drb91 wrote: post #169

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Why assume at all?

Because it's cumbersome to write comments that don't assume anything but still convey something. single sentences suddenly become whole paragraphs and just for the tiny off-chance of him being homosexual.

Just use "they" or "she/he" instead of "she"...

The typing isn't hard, the hard part is keeping yourself from making assumptions about who people like to date. There's much more than a "tiny off-chance" that people are queer, at least where I'm from (and probably at Intel HQ too).

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Post by majormajor »

tfha wrote: post #71
et2o wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just not people you have a supervisory role over, because obviously that could be coercive.

Any relationship could be coercive. But just because it's possible for a relationship to be coercive doesn't mean that it is going to be. I don't see what's wrong with a supervisor dating a suboridinate if both parties are consenting and the supervisor is not abusing their power. This taboo has never made much sense to me. The supervisor can already be abusive towards their subordinates. You don't need to introduce a…

"The supervisor already, necessarily has a lot of power they could potentially abuse. So let's put some rules in place to check some of those potential abuses, and give us clear-and-fast reasons to discipline if needed."

It's extremely poor judgment to date some that reports through you. "Power corrupts"-type stories are everywhere. Don't trust yourself to be the perfect exception; have some self-control.

Or, if you must, move to a different role or job! You're the one in the scenario with more options. And remember: most relationships end! Then it gets even messier if you work together directly, especially if they report to you. You break up, you can't work together well, now what happens? IME, nothing good for the person in the management role.

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Post by ansible »

mastax wrote: post #158
ansible wrote: post #138

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> Intel is in serious trouble right now. The whole semiconductor industry is in trouble right now, though few seem to feel the weight of the issue. We are looking at just a couple process nodes at best before we reach the end of the road for silicon lithography. Sure, there will be further tweaks on existing techniques which will squeeze out small improvements in power, performance and density. But long gone are the…

I don't disagree with the wider point but > I could replace my 6-year old Intel i7-3770 desktop with 32GB of RAM, but what's out there that's significantly better at a reasonable cost? AMD Ryzen 7 1700 for $200. ~10% faster single core and you get 8C/16T. DDR4 RAM is quite expensive, though. (closest available benchmarks, 1700 is about 3% slower than 2700) [0]: https://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/2111 [1]: https:…

The Ryzen is better, as another commenter pointed out with the passmark scores. Is it better enough for me to actually go out and buy it?

The system the i7-3770 replaced was a 4 year old dual-core, with (IIRC) just 1GB of RAM. The i7 was a dramatic improvement, but I don't feel that the Ryzen would be a dramatic improvement.

And that's the issue. It is not just me being a little unimpressed with current offerings, or me just being cheap. The issue is that there is even a valid discussion about replacing a 6 year old desktop. In the past, in the 1990's and 2000's, it wasn't a question. You had to upgrade because you wanted to run Windows XP decently, for example.

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Post by [deleted] »

mathattack wrote: post #179

It was stupid of him to do. The executive suite of large companies is very Game of Thrones. Why leave a knife around for someone to stab you in the back? Of course people knew. And then they were “shocked!!” to formally find out. This is a serious thing. What if you knew about the relationship, and the other person was promoted over you? I worked at a place where 2 colleagues had an open/secret relationship. One was…

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Re: Intel CEO resigns after relationship with employee

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Post by goobynight »

jmull wrote: post #141
tomp wrote: post #103

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But really, how is that different from any other decision an employee might do that prioritises their own personal gain over their company’s benefit?

I don't think it is different. Companies that are large/sophisticated enough to have formal policies of employee conduct generally ban a wide range of behaviors that prioritizes the employee's personal gain over the company's.

Right, but what's being discussed isn't that the policies are there. It's if they make sense i.e. do they ban something that's actual bad or are they just arbitrary restrictions?
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