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I've heard this line a lot, but even as a government loving liberal it doesn't sound very compelling to me. The law says, comply or face fines up to 4% of global revenue. It doesn't say, "make a best effort to comply, or face fines up to 4% of global revenue." I'm very reluctant to trust people who can fine me for that much money that they won't do so. This is especially the case because it appears to some of us fore…
True that the text doesn’t say this, but several of the privacy authorities in the different jurisdictions in Europe have been stating this publicly in interviews. The last one I saw was the ICO in the UK today on BBC Click saying exactly this...
Instapaper is temporarily shutting off access for European users due to GDPR
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Re: Instapaper is temporarily shutting off access for European users due to GDPR
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I feel like you’re making a bigger deal out of this than necessary, unless you’re doing some shady stuff with our data. Seeing this completely false sentiment repeated over and over again is getting exhausting. Only a tiny fraction of the companies avoiding EU traffic due to GDPR have any intention of “doing shady stuff with your data” . GDPR is highly complex, and as of tomorrow, allowing EU traffic invites massive…
"Only a tiny fraction of the companies avoiding EU traffic due to GDPR have any intention of “doing shady stuff with your data”." Says who? If they weren't doing shady stuff, they wouldn't be pulling out of the EU. The excuses of being complex are just that, excuses.
Says who?
Says anyone with common sense. What percentage of sites do you think employ data scientists or would even know where to go to sell your data? Most sites do nothing more than throw GA on their website, and maybe some Adsense. You people decided to paint that as something evil.
That’s your decision to make, but just understand that most of the rest of the world wants no part of $20M potential fines and will simply take their ball and go home. This law will have the net effect of creating two Internets - one for the EU and one for the rest of us.
Re: Instapaper is temporarily shutting off access for European users due to GDPR
#193Obviously, IANAL, but my company talked to a few over the past week. This move is, in my opinion, a bad read on the odds and European culture. First, culture. The goal (at least in France, but that's probably the same in other countries) is to get you in compliance, NOT to fine you. What this means is that before you get lawsuit and fines, someone will talk to you and work with you to see how you can get compliant. S…
> Well, at least that's my read on the situation. And that's how I intend to do it: pro-actively work into getting in compliance without rushing it too much, and handle things properly as they come. A lot of the responses to the GDPR shutdowns have been like this - "you don't need to shutdown, because you won't be fined yet." But I have to ask, isn't shutting down a better alternative to knowingly breaking the law? W…
Shutting down while still holding the data is still breaking the law.
Re: Instapaper is temporarily shutting off access for European users due to GDPR
#194Earlier quoted context omitted.
I feel like you’re making a bigger deal out of this than necessary, unless you’re doing some shady stuff with our data. From what I can tell from various legal advice that I’ve read, as long as you’re working on implementing the changes, and have been following security best practices, nothing really changes on May 25th, and you’ll be able to take your time to become fully compliant, as long as you can demonstrate th…
Instapaper is owned by Pinterest. Pinterest is a large high profile company with millions of European users and would be a potential target of regulators looking to establish precedents of enforcement with a big name. I highly doubt this decision was made lightly and was probably informed by actual legal professionals with knowledge of the regulators in question and not the 3rd party opinion of some guy on the intern…
Most other companies haven't made the same decision, what's different about Instapaper?
Do they share reading habits with multiple third parties perhaps?
Re: Instapaper is temporarily shutting off access for European users due to GDPR
#195Earlier quoted context omitted.
I've heard this line a lot, but even as a government loving liberal it doesn't sound very compelling to me. The law says, comply or face fines up to 4% of global revenue. It doesn't say, "make a best effort to comply, or face fines up to 4% of global revenue." I'm very reluctant to trust people who can fine me for that much money that they won't do so. This is especially the case because it appears to some of us fore…
True that the text doesn’t say this, but several of the privacy authorities in the different jurisdictions in Europe have been stating this publicly in interviews. The last one I saw was the ICO in the UK today on BBC Click saying exactly this...
...and maybe you should take a look at something like this https://ico.org.uk/for-organisations/resources-and-support/d...
Re: Instapaper is temporarily shutting off access for European users due to GDPR
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> They either are mismanaged or are not willing to tell the users what data they are collecting and how they use and monetize this data. And it should worry all users, not only users from the EU. I don't know a ton about GDPR, but the article makes it look like it has less to do with Instapaper (aside from risk tolerance) and more to do with the ambiguity of the law. Some relevant quotes: > it’s more than likely to b…
> it’s not entirely clear right now what information residents will request, If they ask for something specific in an informal way, that can be provided But from the GDPRs data portability point of view, it's everything that's linked to the account. Export your Facebook data for a good example of this. HN example: it would be the information in your profile, the links/text you submitted (but not the content of the li…
> for table in tables: select * from table where ...
Arguably much or all of the entries with FKs to those rows as well, transitively. Unless you don't believe in normalisation :)
Re: Instapaper is temporarily shutting off access for European users due to GDPR
#198Hey all – Brian from Instapaper here. We worked really hard to try to avoid a service interruption in the EU, but unfortunately we were unable to. We continue to work hard to ensure that the service interruption is as brief as possible. Let me know if you have any questions...
Maybe something like this will be of help to you https://ico.org.uk/for-organisations/resources-and-support/d... ?
Re: Instapaper is temporarily shutting off access for European users due to GDPR
#199I'm still struggling with the fact that the EU can compel me to add what will be a funnel shattering dialog to my onboarding. I've shelved a bunch of side projects that I was excited to work on because I have no interest in dealing with any of this ambiguous law. Implementing it would most likely cause a large percentage of users to uninstall my app, because who wants to be greeted with a scary sounding dialog as the…
A significant proportion of the 500 million citizens of the EU are "privacy oriented". If you can't keep our data safe, why should you be trusted with it?
My point is, I have no clue what's collecting data in an improper way, and I'm not going to hire a lawyer for a hobby app.
The amount of conflicting information about whether I do or don't need consent based on what services I use is just stupid. And I wouldn't even be showing ads.
Part of the apps function is related to location, do I need consent? Maybe.
It will use Firebase, do I need consent? Maybe.
It will collect crash data so I can debug the stupid thing, do I need consent? Maybe.
Etc...
Re: Instapaper is temporarily shutting off access for European users due to GDPR
#200Hey all – Brian from Instapaper here. We worked really hard to try to avoid a service interruption in the EU, but unfortunately we were unable to. We continue to work hard to ensure that the service interruption is as brief as possible. Let me know if you have any questions...
my question - why am I finding out about this on HN and not through the email supposedly sent out?
I did not receive any email notification about this either, just double checked all Spam folders..