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Re: YouTube Is Removing Some Nootropics Channels

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Post by musage »

s73v3r_ wrote: post #139
crankylinuxuser wrote: post #79

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And the unmoderated spaced of before don't exist any more (Usenet), because companies didn't make money on it. Or worse, because it violated some company's "right". Now, in order to speak, you nearly have to go through one of Their gateways. If you piss off FAMGA (Facebook, Apple, Microsoft, Google, Amazon), you're gone off the net. Some of those gatekeepers are big scripts with no human intervention for your level.…

"If you piss off FAMGA (Facebook, Apple, Microsoft, Google, Amazon), you're gone off the net." No, you're not. Not even close. The Daily Stormer is still online; you will be too.

I don't see why the burden to "make ends meet" in a totally scorched landscape should be on those not scorching it, with those looking the other way preaching to them from a supposed moral high horse. Stuff like the right to confront your accuser is totally lost with these companies as well as on HN.

But don't worry, even being on the wrong side of history you'll still be in history.

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Post by musage »

akvadrako wrote: post #113
s73v3r_ wrote: post #46

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None of the alternative services will get there if no one is willing to use them. There is always the old fashioned way of getting sponsors yourself and hosting the video on your site.

and it's not like youtube pays out very well - it's 90% towards google at the minimum.

Which makes their behavior in relation to ElsaGate -- how long they ignored reports and pleas, and how they either did or published zero serious investigation of the issue -- even more disgusting. They could donate the ad money they made from videos aimed at abusing children, knowingly or not, to charities helping abused children, or something like that. But no, instead they used the occasion to brag and pat themselves on the back.

Observe how they treat the defenseless, and how they treat those with clout. It speaks volumes.

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Post by LoSboccacc »

girvo wrote: post #185
kirykl wrote: post #105

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in the US you have a right to free speech, not mass reach

Then that definition of free speech ignores the changes in culture and communication, no? (I’m not even disagreeing with you, I’m more curious here. This article and discussion has brought up interesting points I think)

He’s right about free speech. Even in countries where free speech is a right, it is strictly defined as government can’t punish you for your opinion. Private companies can show users the door at any time.

What I fail to see is what has his retort about free speech anything to do with my comment on the youtube monopolistic position.

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Post by zxcmx »

haZard_OS wrote: post #169
swirepe wrote: post #93

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Did you know that Pepsi is made from dead babies? I didn't, before YouTube [1]. It turns out you can say almost anything you want on video without it being a legal issue. I don't think regulators care about this small-time stuff. [1]: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=d72KsFEenz8

groan I actually had to address that claim during a lecture once. Ridiculous. For the record, I think anyone peddling pseudoscience regarding medical conditions should be shutdown hard and fast. People who suffer from chronic pain or incurable illness can become desperate and turn to charlatans whose snake-oil can produce terrible effects. It isn't harmless to prey on such insecurities. http://whatstheharm.net/

I think this is tricky because as soon as you shut down the obvious stuff (ok, dead babies...) you will quickly arrive at barely or non provable stuff, acai berry level things, and medical claims (fructose intolerance! real thing btw!) which you are going to need a phd to sort out. I am not sure how youtube or any general content site could realistically be expected to have a policy on all these things.

You can't eradicate the nonsense you can just change its nature. In some ways I think having complete nonsense out there is healthy in terms of promoting skepticism amongst normal people.

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Post by throwaway84742 »

joew42k wrote: post #54

Youtube is a private company and can do whatever they want with their own website. Nobody's stopping makers of these videos from hosting the videos themselves. This is not censorship in the way we have traditionally understood. It only feels like it because Youtube is where the biggest audience is. It's the same whenever Facebook penalizes a post in the timeline, or whenever Google hides content from the search resul…

> Youtube is a private company and can do whatever they want with their own website

The oft overlooked caveat to this line of thought is: we don’t have to like it.

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Post by iamnothere »

vertexFarm wrote: post #59
joew42k wrote: post #54

Youtube is a private company and can do whatever they want with their own website. Nobody's stopping makers of these videos from hosting the videos themselves. This is not censorship in the way we have traditionally understood. It only feels like it because Youtube is where the biggest audience is. It's the same whenever Facebook penalizes a post in the timeline, or whenever Google hides content from the search resul…

There should be a social network for lonely, security-obsessed linux people who refuse to partake in social media. Maybe we should start raising homing pigeons and send little notes to each other. I need to get my ham license one of these days.

Mastodon, steemit, maidsafe, and all the other stuff built on distributed networks. This stuff is out there, but it will die off if people don't use it and improve it.

A ham license is a great idea given where things are headed. Might even be worthwhile to set up a functional sneakernet among friends as a hobby. Something like FidoNet over USB sticks?

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Post by joew42k »

kristofferR wrote: post #89
joew42k wrote: post #69

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Websites have always been allowed to decide which facts to allow on their site. Right now, if I visited an anti-vaxxer forum, and posted "vaccines don't cause autism" in the comments, I'm sure it would be removed. So why is youtube any different?

Of course YouTube have a right to remove every pro vaccination video from their site, I'm not disputing that. I'm just saying that they shouldn't.

I agree with you. They shouldn't. I'm playing devils advocate to make a point. You can't expect websites to treat all opinions as equal. Even 4chan has moderators.

Youtube only differs from other websites in scale. They are moderating content as we see fit. We can disagree with their reasoning behind moderation. But it's silly to act like they didn't have this right all along

(And that's what I see in this comment section. Comments like "why should youtube say what I can and can't watch?" I'm pointing out that those arguments are a dead end.)

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Post by [deleted] »

rrdharan wrote: post #143
JoeAltmaier wrote: post #100

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Number 1 is pretty much yes, they can. It's a diminishing cost, and the price of storage is very likely diminishing faster than the rate of video production is rising. Number 2, agreed, we in fact know it can only be censorship (and not competing viewership) that drives the decision. That's my whole point.

I disagree. https://www.backblaze.com/blog/hard-drive-cost-per-gigabyte/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/259477/hours-of-video-up... As far as I can tell, YouTube video content is growing exponentially, and hard drive costs are dropping linearly.

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Post by jmcqk6 »

stevecronin wrote: post #179
dbasedweeb wrote: post #159

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Relax and Improve Your Sleep with Natural Calm Magnesium If that’s your version of very clear, maybe you shouldn’t be giving people advice.

So does adding a question mark at the end of the title fit your position? It's a title and you did not watch the video, it's the same when you buy that product at whole foods and the label says something, then you turn it over to see it's not medical advice.

Here is how you can state it without ambiguity:

Learn how magnesium may relax and improve your sleep

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Post by joew42k »

JoeAltmaier wrote: post #100
joew42k wrote: post #76

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1. Hosting videos costs Youtube money. It's probably a tiny amount per video. But that doesn't mean they can host every video forever. 2. They have a commercial reason to cancel these videos. Maybe they think the use of these drugs is risky, and gives their website an unsavory reputation. That hurts their brand (and potentially their bottom line). This is not unlike a TV show canceling a successful show when it's sta…

Number 1 is pretty much yes, they can. It's a diminishing cost, and the price of storage is very likely diminishing faster than the rate of video production is rising. Number 2, agreed, we in fact know it can only be censorship (and not competing viewership) that drives the decision. That's my whole point.

1. https://xkcd.com/605/ Hard drives are dropping in price. That doesn't mean they will ever be zero.

1a. Youtube has other expenses besides hard drives. Bandwith. Server infrastructure. Employee salaries. To name a few.

2. It's not censorship. It's editorial judgement. Are you saying websites should be forced to host opinions they don't agree with? There is no "fairness doctrine" for sites like youtube.

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