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Matrix and Riot Confirmed as the Basis for France’s Secure Instant Messenger App

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Re: Matrix and Riot Confirmed as the Basis for France’s Secure Instant Messenger App

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Post by Arathorn »

alexkavon wrote: post #181
Karrot_Kream wrote: post #97

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Matrix is gaining adoption throughout the open source world super quickly. There are screenshots, guides, and links to join all over the place. Given that, I'm really impressed that anyone looks at Matrix and thinks of it as "little more than niche".

Just clarify since I've upset some members of its community. I'm speaking from a development perspective. Sure Riot might have a large amount of users online, but what portion of that is people developing on top of the protocol. As I originally stated the docs are less than stellar, considering there are many missing pieces. So other than the original dedicated developers building a few things for a large community,…

Totally agreed that the spec is not where it should be; it has suffered from lack of dev bandwidth after funding mess last year, as we had to shift folks from spec to Synapse work in order to keep up with the growth of the network. we have someone joining end of May who should have specific bandwidth to work on it as part of their day job; we have a goal to close all the gaps by Aug.

Re: Matrix and Riot Confirmed as the Basis for France’s Secure Instant Messenger App

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Post by shakna »

Xylakant wrote: post #162
kqr wrote: post #144

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> Skype for Governments? I want to type this into a search bar to see if it's a thing... but simultaneuosly I'm terrified of the prospect of discovering that it is.

I don’t think it exists as a product, but I’d totally not be surprised if Skype for Business is used in government branches.

> I’d totally not be surprised if Skype for Business is used in government branches.

It is, or at least Centrelink, Medicare, NDIS and Veteran's Affairs use it in Australia. Wouldn't be surprised if it was also used outside of DHHS.

Re: Matrix and Riot Confirmed as the Basis for France’s Secure Instant Messenger App

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Post by jhasse »

marknadal wrote: post #82

Congrats Matrix team! That is huge. Competitor here, few questions: - You guys are currently implementing federated protocols, right? We do P2P protocols, I'm curious why you guys chose federated - why do you think it is better? - How are you guys different than Signal? Obviously way different than Telegram, as it isn't even Open Source (thanks for Open Sourcing your work!). - When I was working on our E2EE private m…

Telegram's clients are open source.

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Post by slipmagic »

jhasse wrote: post #193
marknadal wrote: post #82

Congrats Matrix team! That is huge. Competitor here, few questions: - You guys are currently implementing federated protocols, right? We do P2P protocols, I'm curious why you guys chose federated - why do you think it is better? - How are you guys different than Signal? Obviously way different than Telegram, as it isn't even Open Source (thanks for Open Sourcing your work!). - When I was working on our E2EE private m…

Telegram's clients are open source.

And the crypto is done client-side.

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Post by acct1771 »

Qwertie wrote: post #121
tacoman wrote: post #101

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An interesting number would be how many GCM/APN devices are registered in the matrix.org sygnal server. All of the Matrix/Riot users I know use private, non-federated home servers, but still rely on the project's Sygnal server(s) for push notifications.

Phone number/email verification is also still centralized as no one has worked out any other way.

Important to note you're not required to use any of these features....considering sign up takes 7 seconds within the app (and for security... Email is a weak point), I bypassed it.

Re: Matrix and Riot Confirmed as the Basis for France’s Secure Instant Messenger App

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Post by acct1771 »

acct1771 wrote: post #195
Qwertie wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Phone number/email verification is also still centralized as no one has worked out any other way.

Important to note you're not required to use any of these features....considering sign up takes 7 seconds within the app (and for security... Email is a weak point), I bypassed it.

Both are a weak point, when it comes down to it.

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Post by acct1771 »

hokkos wrote: post #106
kuwze wrote: post #70

It's sort of ironic considering France's history with Minitel[0] and encryption[1]. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minitel [1]: https://www.forbes.com/forbes/1997/1201/6012058a.html#75b6a6... Specifically from [1] is the line: "Its illegal in France to encrypt any communication in any way unless you have permission from the government. How is electronic commerce going to get off the ground in such a society? Good…

It has nothing to do with Minitel as it is a private government only slack-like tool. And the encryption restriction is long gone like in the US. Why there is alway francophobes in threads like that ?

Maybe they're government-a-phobes, not Francophobes.

Re: Matrix and Riot Confirmed as the Basis for France’s Secure Instant Messenger App

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Post by acct1771 »

ATsch wrote: post #183
marknadal wrote: post #82

Congrats Matrix team! That is huge. Competitor here, few questions: - You guys are currently implementing federated protocols, right? We do P2P protocols, I'm curious why you guys chose federated - why do you think it is better? - How are you guys different than Signal? Obviously way different than Telegram, as it isn't even Open Source (thanks for Open Sourcing your work!). - When I was working on our E2EE private m…

> why federated, not decentralized? afaict, Matrix is both, kind of. Rooms are decentralized, while users are federated. > What about signal? Signal is great, but it solves a very different problem. It's a good replacement for talking to your best friends on your phone. But it fails quickly once you go past that. No true multi-device, no talking without releasing your phone number, no public groups. No mentions, no p…

> Signal is great, but it solves a very different problem. It's a good replacement for talking to your best friends on your phone.

Riot does this pretty well, and when it's not alpha/beta, it'll probably do it really well.

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Post by acct1771 »

HIPisTheAnswer wrote: post #173
dbt00 wrote: post #137

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DNSSEC is as secure as SMS.

But signal also uses name servers to connect clients. HIP, the host identity protocol, is the answer. Check out my nick. I'm not a big fan of the current naming system of the internet. Self-certifying names are needed. Edit: If DNSSEC is as secure as sms, then signal is as secure as sms.

You mean for metadata, of course.

Not message contents etc.

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Post by acct1771 »

Promarged wrote: post #150
HIPisTheAnswer wrote: post #120

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You can't run your own signal server. If that isn't huge then nothing is.

To be more precise you can run your own server but it would not connect to the rest of the network (so it's useless). Source code here: https://github.com/signalapp/Signal-Server

Why's it useless if it's only for internal govt communication?

If anything, that'd be a feature, no?

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