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It’s time to give Firefox a fresh chance

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Re: It’s time to give Firefox a fresh chance

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What sites only work with Chrome? Even though Safari has a minuscule desktop market share, I can't see most sites being incompatible with iOS.

It's not so much about "sites", as it is "apps". The most recent instance I recall is this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16467387 Open this page in a browser other than Chrome: https://pagedraw.io/tutorials/basics

That makes sense - no it's not right. A "web app" can get away with only being compatible with Chrome on the desktop because they would likely have a native app for mobile.

Re: It’s time to give Firefox a fresh chance

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It's odd to see Firefox being called a memory hog just a few years back. As far as I can tell, Chrome has used more memory pretty much always if you have multiple tabs open. (Firefox may have been slower on slow hardware, but that has never been an issue for me.)

I'd probably be saying this for the hundredth time or whatever, but I've always seen the machine crawl after Chrome opens a few tens of tabs and uses a lot of memory, while Firefox (even before Quantum) would use a lot lesser memory for the same number of tabs. Firefox has always been my browser whenever I need(ed) to have several tens of tabs open.

The extensions in Firefox also have worked much better for me, all along. Even today, Chrome wouldn't restore tabs after crashing and relaunching, and this was after it asked me if I would like to restore tabs and I said yes. Chrome, to me, is nothing but a toy browser good for some single tabbed kiosks or a open-read-close model of use. For anyone who wants a browser for heavy use, especially with a lot of tabs, I would recommend only Firefox.

Re: It’s time to give Firefox a fresh chance

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I never gave up on Firefox. I always knew Google Chrome was sending back telemetry data or whatever and never looked back. Also with how many sites are "only working in Chrome" these days I still hold the claim that Chrome is working itself to being the next IE in terms of breaking the web for people using other browsers. I still hold respect for Chrome in other areas though. Firefox was always complained about but h…

I switched back to Firefox a while ago (because I pledged to switch to whichever was the first browser to implement arrow-functions!) - but I doubled down on sticking with it after running Little Snitch for a while. Google is very aggressive on how ofter it pings its servers looking for updates: they're really keen to ensure my software isn't more than 30 minutes out of date, for some reason.

The reason being, perhaps, to have a version without known bugs or vulnerabilities. I wish everyone was that aggressive in patching.

Re: It’s time to give Firefox a fresh chance

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But the witchunt and purge of Brendan Eich. For love of diversity and civility, can't use Firefox.

Try http://brave.com instead. They're actually developing a way to democratize ad revenue so that it is directed back straight to creators themselves. Innovative, hopeful solution for a salient long-term problem that everyone else seems to be throwing their hands in the air and shrugging over.

Re: It’s time to give Firefox a fresh chance

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I never gave up on Firefox. I always knew Google Chrome was sending back telemetry data or whatever and never looked back. Also with how many sites are "only working in Chrome" these days I still hold the claim that Chrome is working itself to being the next IE in terms of breaking the web for people using other browsers. I still hold respect for Chrome in other areas though. Firefox was always complained about but h…

I couldn't agree more. In addition, I am one of the (apparently) few who use FF almost exclusively on my mobile devices. No, FF isn't perfect on my phone but it works just the way I need it to 90% of the time. In fact, I've been quite satisfied with the mobile version of FF Nightly.

Indeed. Orfox for general browsing, Firefox Focus/Klar for sites that block Tor, standard Firefox for the few sites I want to save cookies (mostly web interfaces of local servers).

Re: It’s time to give Firefox a fresh chance

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Here's my favorite metaphor to explain Chrome and Firefox. So, imagine you have two cars to chose from. The first car, called Chrome, is really cool - it's quick, it's nice, it's reliable, it's comfortable. There's just one thing. There's a guy on the back seat. He's always there. He writes down wherever you're going. When you go shopping, he makes a copy of the receipt. When you drive with someone, he listens to the…

> When you go shopping, he makes a copy of the receipt

Any proof Chrome does this kind of tracking?

Re: It’s time to give Firefox a fresh chance

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Author thinks Chrome is the best browser so whatever. I've been using Firefox for the past 4 years and while the latest version is certainly the best thus far, even when Chrome performed "better" I'd still not use it for a myriad of reasons mostly revolving around the fact that everything Google does these days is crooked. Author mentions the built in ad-blocker. Did you know Google also banned AdNauseum from the pla…

I think one of the biggest issues with AdNauseum is devaluing ads to a point it's no longer viable to show any because the adsense account (or alternative) will get flagged as fraud or ads will pay out far less, harming the publisher much more in the long run than an ad blocker. If I still ran ads on one of my websites, I would be very upset if this was the case. While I agree it is also probably in Google's best int…

So what?

Here's the thing, Google doesn't have the authority to dictate what software you run on your computer. If you run a software that destroys their entire business model, tough cookies, they have to adapt or die.

Taking steps to control what software users install on their own systems in order to protect your little market share is evil, crooked, and probably illegal. It's the sort of thing that causes corporations to be broken up, for example, App Store, Chrome, Adwords, all need to be separated into unrelated companies to eliminate the blatant conflict of interest which has existed for years.

As an aside, this is evidence that advertising is dead. Technology that destroys the online ad model will continue to evolve and become more destructive and more disruptive. Attempts by corporations to censor free software because it challenges their revenue models is a display of desperation, fear, and inevitable collapse, if history has taught us anything on the matter.

Thanks to AdNauseum and any similar forks, no corporation in the world, no matter how large or wealthy, can guarantee that their advertising model is honest or functional. You should assume that whatever data they use to bill you is faulty.

Re: It’s time to give Firefox a fresh chance

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I think one of the biggest issues with AdNauseum is devaluing ads to a point it's no longer viable to show any because the adsense account (or alternative) will get flagged as fraud or ads will pay out far less, harming the publisher much more in the long run than an ad blocker. If I still ran ads on one of my websites, I would be very upset if this was the case. While I agree it is also probably in Google's best int…

So what? Here's the thing, Google doesn't have the authority to dictate what software you run on your computer. If you run a software that destroys their entire business model, tough cookies, they have to adapt or die. Taking steps to control what software users install on their own systems in order to protect your little market share is evil, crooked, and probably illegal. It's the sort of thing that causes corporat…

Alright, I'm not for or against Google - I appreciate the things they've done but really notice their shortcomings - I'd say I'm more "pro-sensible advertising".

> Here's the thing, Google doesn't have the authority to dictate what software you run on your computer.

No, but it can dictate what plugins are available in _their_ store for _their_ browser. Just use Firefox or manually install the plugins. They aren't stopping you completely, but when you're in their ecosystem you play by their rules.

> App Store, Chrome, Adwords, all need to be separated into unrelated companies to eliminate the blatant conflict of interest

Absolutely, and there are other competitors in this space. Google is too big at this point to spin those off.

> As an aside, this is evidence that advertising is dead.

It's not dead because there's no real valid alternative for the everyday website. A lot of users don't want to pay to browse your website past paying their ISP, and mining cryptocurrency isn't an option either. There was a project a little while back called F-U, Pay Me! by Datajoy (https://datajoy.us/fupm.html) that I wrote about that was a worthy replacement, but needs more traction to really take off.

> Thanks to AdNauseum and any similar forks, no corporation in the world, no matter how large or wealthy, can guarantee that their advertising model is honest or functional.

This is where advertising falls apart and it all becomes valueless, which I think is more destructive overall. Google offers a pretty good way of monetizing a website while they help themselves to analytics and a portion of the revenue. Google's AdSense getting shut down would mean (likely, speculation here) a lot of smaller hobby websites being killed off, and larger ones forced to gate access with a paywall. Ultimately, we need a DNS-based tip jar system, but that requires adoption. It's not impossible to run a website if you have a job, but if that website _is_ your job, you're out of luck.

Re: It’s time to give Firefox a fresh chance

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I've always preferred Firefox and rarely used Chrome, until a few months ago when FF started eating CPU so badly that I now use Chrome almost exclusively.

I have no idea what causes FF to use 100% CPU, but it happens consistently, every single time I use FF for any length of time. Browsing Twitter will do it, YouTube will do it, eventually something will do it. Maybe it has to do with video? I don't know, and I don't have the time or (probably) the knowledge to try to figure it out.

Until/unless Firefox fixes whatever bug is causing this, I'm forced to stick with Chrome (which just works, hour after hour, day after day).

Re: It’s time to give Firefox a fresh chance

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

So what? Here's the thing, Google doesn't have the authority to dictate what software you run on your computer. If you run a software that destroys their entire business model, tough cookies, they have to adapt or die. Taking steps to control what software users install on their own systems in order to protect your little market share is evil, crooked, and probably illegal. It's the sort of thing that causes corporat…

Alright, I'm not for or against Google - I appreciate the things they've done but really notice their shortcomings - I'd say I'm more "pro-sensible advertising". > Here's the thing, Google doesn't have the authority to dictate what software you run on your computer. No, but it can dictate what plugins are available in _their_ store for _their_ browser. Just use Firefox or manually install the plugins. They aren't sto…

> Alright, I'm not for or against Google - I appreciate the things they've done but really notice their shortcomings - I'd say I'm more "pro-sensible advertising".

I am. I liked their services for years, but reality crept in. They're rotten apples. The majority of news headlines about Google for the past 2 years have been scandals and crimes against the public.

> No, but it can dictate what plugins are available in _their_ store for _their_ browser.

No not necessarily. If Google's only business was a browser and an app store for it, then maybe. But that's not their business. Their business is infecting every corner of every market. They are _clearly_ abusing their position as a monopoly to influence the market in their favor. Which is a crime, in this country. A good question is why hasn't the breakup started already? Hell the only reason they invented that "Alphabet" nonsense was so they could avoid monopoly abuse charges! That is evidence of criminal intentions! They're also one of the worst offenders for moving money off-shore to avoid paying their taxes, and they lie about it when challenged. That is the behavior of crooks.

> Absolutely, and there are other competitors in this space. Google is too big at this point to spin those off.

With all due respect, if you think a corporation is "too big" to break up then you don't understand this topic at all. I recommend the story about Ma Bell, which I think was the largest corporate breakup in American history. Google will be broken up in time, if they continue on the path they're on.

> It's not dead because there's no real valid alternative

that's not how economics work.

> This is where advertising falls apart and it all becomes valueless, which I think is more destructive overall.

I would suggest that, rather than destructive, it is _disruptive_. We were born into this world, but Advertising has not always existed. It was invented by men who were looking for ways to put bread on their table when they have basically nothing of value to offer the world. I think disrupting that is great. It's great because it encourages healthy economic evolution, that isn't technically "Destructive". But it might appear so, the same way a natural forest fire might appear disruptive. But it's necessary for healthy new growth.

The free ATM machine that is online advertising is going to dry up, and everyone who was relying upon that revenue stream is going to suffer, unless they recognize the warnings NOW, and invent new revenue streams, the same way that some men invented Advertising so many years ago. We invented literally every single thing in the entire economy. It's called "Adapt or Die". And they will. You will. Everyone does.

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