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Dtube – A decentralized video platform using STEEM and IPFS

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Re: Dtube – A decentralized video platform using STEEM and IPFS

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Post by zaarn »

prophesi wrote: post #190
zaarn wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That does however essentially reverse the cost of operations. Popular content is free to host while content that isn't popular is costly to host. The more unpopular your content the higher the cost becomes.

I'm not sure if I follow. This is from Sia, so it might not be the case with IPFS + FileCoin, but the cost for finding a host is the same for everyone. The hosts themselves determine their own price, and they're given a rating determined by the amount of storage they have + uptime + bandwidth. Users can then choose who hosts their content by looking at their rating versus cost. Currently, without monetization in plac…

On IPFS popular content is cached, a website like youtube will most likely not have to pay hosting for any parts of it's website or popular videos if they were to run on IPFS.

Content that is not popular enough to remain in the IPFS caches will require filecoin or some other form of paid hosting to keep it around, thusly increased cost.

Re: Dtube – A decentralized video platform using STEEM and IPFS

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Post by lt »

skrowl wrote: post #189
fro0116 wrote: post #178

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Not to diminish the technical accomplishment here, but that sounds like the very definition of tyranny of the majority. Not to say that our current systems of manual moderation are perfect, but at least it's a step removed from mob rule, with recourse usually available if a video is wrongly flagged for simply expressing unpopular opinion. If a video tries to express unpopular viewpoints at DTube, it would seem imposs…

Particularly with how popular it is to use bots to Facebook Like, Retweet Twitter, Upvote Reddit, etc. I'm a little worried about being hidden from search when you get too many downvotes, because I personally could probably create a downvote bot army in a day and I'm not really even that interested in it.

On steem, your influence (the power of your downvote) is weighted by the amount of stake (the currency) you have, precisely for that reason.

Still tyranny of the majority (or of the influential stakeholders, actually), but it's a different issue.

Re: Dtube – A decentralized video platform using STEEM and IPFS

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Post by prophesi »

zaarn wrote: post #191
prophesi wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure if I follow. This is from Sia, so it might not be the case with IPFS + FileCoin, but the cost for finding a host is the same for everyone. The hosts themselves determine their own price, and they're given a rating determined by the amount of storage they have + uptime + bandwidth. Users can then choose who hosts their content by looking at their rating versus cost. Currently, without monetization in plac…

On IPFS popular content is cached, a website like youtube will most likely not have to pay hosting for any parts of it's website or popular videos if they were to run on IPFS. Content that is not popular enough to remain in the IPFS caches will require filecoin or some other form of paid hosting to keep it around, thusly increased cost.

Ah, that makes sense. Yeah, popular sites could probably get away with having no hosts, except for their older posts + user-generated content.

Re: Dtube – A decentralized video platform using STEEM and IPFS

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Post by Pavitra »

corobo wrote: post #149
rrcaptain wrote: post #17

Would this not run into the copyright issues most other distributed hosting networks run into? Especially since it allows directly monetizing the content.

Copyright issues are the easy end of the problem stick too. I'm going to straight up ask - what happens when a child porn ring starts using this?

IPFS supports censorship, theoretically.

Re: Dtube – A decentralized video platform using STEEM and IPFS

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Post by sneak »

synctext wrote: post #22
RandomInteger4 wrote: post #12

Steem looked like an interesting idea, but your content lives and dies with the platform's whales, which are either insiders or a few people who believe in the platform. If the whales don't interact with your content, you're not likely to get much revenue. You voting power -- the amount you contribute to content you interact with -- is directly tied to your steem power, so unless you put money into the platform or ma…

> Also worth noting that the whole steem platform on the currency end of things is completely centralized This is a central Youtube-like clone it seems. I can't scale in bandwidth and has a central governance model. Plus the coin is worthless: "The number of Steem available is set to double annually, making its supply growth exponential - a possible drag on its future value in the market" https://www.investopedia.com…

FWIW the high inflation in Steem was forked out well over a year ago. Its inflation rate now approximately matches that of bitcoin.

Re: Dtube – A decentralized video platform using STEEM and IPFS

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Post by tCfD »

fro0116 wrote: post #178
nannal wrote: post #164

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Videos can be hidden in the UI but only via enough downvotes from the community, even then the video and its hash is still on the blockchain and available via ipfs.

Not to diminish the technical accomplishment here, but that sounds like the very definition of tyranny of the majority. Not to say that our current systems of manual moderation are perfect, but at least it's a step removed from mob rule, with recourse usually available if a video is wrongly flagged for simply expressing unpopular opinion. If a video tries to express unpopular viewpoints at DTube, it would seem imposs…

Especially if the majority are all named "sybil"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sybil_attack

Re: Dtube – A decentralized video platform using STEEM and IPFS

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Post by no_news_is »

It rubs me wrong that anonyhack is reposting videos from YouTube and claiming credit for them, in cryptocurrency and STEEM:

https://d.tube/#!/v/anonyhack/3w9xsp8j

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEBWtbhq0Ts

Can anything be done to prevent or deter this?

Other than maybe leaving comments on the page?

Re: Dtube – A decentralized video platform using STEEM and IPFS

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Post by RossDCurrie »

lt wrote: post #192
skrowl wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Particularly with how popular it is to use bots to Facebook Like, Retweet Twitter, Upvote Reddit, etc. I'm a little worried about being hidden from search when you get too many downvotes, because I personally could probably create a downvote bot army in a day and I'm not really even that interested in it.

On steem, your influence (the power of your downvote) is weighted by the amount of stake (the currency) you have, precisely for that reason. Still tyranny of the majority (or of the influential stakeholders, actually), but it's a different issue.

Yeah, on Steem it doesn't take a whole bunch of people to disagree with your opinion... you just have to piss off one person who holds a ton of Steem ;)

Re: Dtube – A decentralized video platform using STEEM and IPFS

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Post by truthforce »

DennisP wrote: post #75
synctext wrote: post #24

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> Now, this sounds kind of pyramid-y Unlimited money creation is never sustainable, history shows. An online attention coin can't change economics. The future of television probably is not build on a high inflation economy or destructive hyperinflation. https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=high+inflation+~economy

It sounds like they're not trying to create general-purpose money. They've made a token to track influence. They use inflation so old stored influence loses half its value every year. You can't rest on your laurels, if you want influence you have to have provided value recently.

You are completely wrong, and the above people, about steem doubling every year for the total amount, it only increases by something like less than 10% per year.You or someone above you linked an article from 2016 that has very outdated information.

I figured people here might actually do any amount of research instead of just saying vague statements like "resting on your laurels". You have no idea what you are commenting on because it is 2 year old information, but you are acting like an expert. Pathetic.

Re: Dtube – A decentralized video platform using STEEM and IPFS

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Post by truthforce »

rebuilder wrote: post #23
synctext wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Also worth noting that the whole steem platform on the currency end of things is completely centralized This is a central Youtube-like clone it seems. I can't scale in bandwidth and has a central governance model. Plus the coin is worthless: "The number of Steem available is set to double annually, making its supply growth exponential - a possible drag on its future value in the market" https://www.investopedia.com…

In this instance, heavy inflation might actually be a plus for STEEM. This is because it doesn't appear to be intended as a store of value, but as an influence market. As far as I can tell - and I'm sure there's a lot I've misunderstood - STEEM is essentially a market for on-line influence. You gain STEEM for upvotes etc. and the more STEEM tokens you have (STEEM Power), the more influence you have in terms of who ge…

It is proof of mind, and there are no miners anymore. By posting and someone upvoting you they are allocating the rewards that the steem witnesses generate. Witnesses all run servers and are chosen by democratic votes from all steem users to represent steem. The list of current witnesses who have power changes from time to time. Someone who was in power last month might not be in power for a few months as it changes between witnesses, giving an actual chance of getting rid of bad actors, whereas in proof of work mining there is 0% chance of taking out a bad actor as the miner owns their equipment and there is nothing you can do.

There is a lot more you need to read and that is ok, you barely have any understanding of the fundamentals.

People are able to allocate their steempower to other users. If large accounts are misbehaving, small and medium sized accounts band together to make it stop, it is mutually assured destruction. Anyone can band together with anyone else and allocate power from their account to someone else. The super majority of people are good natured and want free speech and band together to combat against abusive/bad actors, of which there is only a handful on steemit and there is no issue at all

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