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Mozilla Is Hiring a Developer to Work on Thunderbird Full-Time

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Re: Mozilla Is Hiring a Developer to Work on Thunderbird Full-Time

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Post by GordonS »

imglorp wrote: post #93
theparanoid wrote: post #91

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It's a way to be cheap. And honestly hiring through Upwork is a terrible idea.

Lobsters has a nice little rant on upwork's humiliating experience. https://lobste.rs/s/e0uh2y/we_re_hiring_developer_work_on#c_...

> For hourly contracts they take random snapshots of your desktop in 10 minutes intervals and they measure your mouse movements and key presses to show your activity

I thought you might have been exaggerating, but that truly is utterly absurd! I just can't believe people actually work under such conditions!

Re: Mozilla Is Hiring a Developer to Work on Thunderbird Full-Time

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Post by adjagu »

sp332 wrote: post #49
adjagu wrote: post #9

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I miss the old easter eggs Firefox had. https://www.mozilla.org/keymaster/gatekeeper/there.is.only.x...

about:mozilla still works.

Thank you for this. I had forgotten about the about: pages.

Re: Mozilla Is Hiring a Developer to Work on Thunderbird Full-Time

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Post by peternicky »

confounded wrote: post #77
bhauer wrote: post #36

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I was apprehensive of your comment at first since you start with fierce criticism of Mozilla. But on reflection, I concur that regardless of the high esteem I have for Mozilla generally, it is disconcerting how little attention Thunderbird sees despite its regular use by so many people. I've never agreed with the neglect it has received from Mozilla and, in fact, feel that Mozilla is missing an opportunity to help re…

Desktop native clients will be in declining use, and Mozilla will know this. I handle most personal email on my phone, and corporate email increasingly requires MFA via a web-client, for which there is no standard for native clients. I have native desktop clients for email installed, and prefer them, but in reality I hardly ever use them. Thunderbird is a great project, but relative to other things Mozilla have their…

This is your experience, certainly not representative of any meaningful trends.

Re: Mozilla Is Hiring a Developer to Work on Thunderbird Full-Time

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Post by bzbarsky »

mixmastamyk wrote: post #189
bzbarsky wrote: post #118

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> with the billions of dollars of commission it earns from search from Google That's the Mozilla Corporation. That's not a charity. It also explicitly does not work on Thunderbird. The charity is the Mozilla Foundation. It has a lot less money than that. The developer position in question is being effectively paid by the Thunderbird Council (but officially hired by the Mozilla Foundation, which has the infrastructure…

Perception is reality, and a list of technical reasons why Mozilla won’t modestly support TB fails to impress.

I'm really not sure what you're trying to say.

"Mozilla" as an organization (both of the organizations involved) is providing pretty minimal support for TB, if any. They've been very upfront and explicit about it.

I was addressing why the blog post exists: it's not posted by "Mozilla", but by the people who are actually supporting TB.

Re: Mozilla Is Hiring a Developer to Work on Thunderbird Full-Time

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Post by mixmastamyk »

bzbarsky wrote: post #196
mixmastamyk wrote: post #189

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Perception is reality, and a list of technical reasons why Mozilla won’t modestly support TB fails to impress.

I'm really not sure what you're trying to say. "Mozilla" as an organization (both of the organizations involved) is providing pretty minimal support for TB, if any. They've been very upfront and explicit about it. I was addressing why the blog post exists: it's not posted by "Mozilla", but by the people who are actually supporting TB.

This thread is about Mozilla failing to support apps which are crucial but perhaps not profitable, in contrast with their stated values. Tiny amounts in comparison to their other recent failures.

Being “upfront and explicit” doesn’t magically popularize unpopular choices.

Re: Mozilla Is Hiring a Developer to Work on Thunderbird Full-Time

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Post by asmosoinio »

gus_massa wrote: post #84
asmosoinio wrote: post #25

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I think the original article is ok, since it is generally interesting (news about Thunderbird, opens discussion about Thunderbird, Mozilla, their technologies) and not just a job ad. I don't know of a rule against job ads in general. I would guess generally such would be mostly just not interesting. YC company job listings are a special case though, they appear on the front page without voting possibility. This had b…

Jobs post are not allowed. From the FAQ: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html > Can I post a job ad? > Please don't post job ads as submissions to HN. > A regular "Who Is Hiring?" thread appears on the first weekday of each month. Most job ads are welcome there. [...] > The other kind of job ad is reserved for YC-funded startups. [...] But IMHO this is an special case that deserve an exception. (Usually followin…

Thanks - I was obviously too lazy to check our the FAQ.

Re: Mozilla Is Hiring a Developer to Work on Thunderbird Full-Time

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Post by ttul »

Ajedi32 wrote: post #119
ttul wrote: post #112

IMHO Mozilla is missing out majorly by constraining themselves to the development of open source software, rather than services. With everything moving to the cloud, why doesn’t Mozilla build an awesome email cloud to compete with google but with perhaps better privacy and encryption features? They could charge for this to recover operating costs and remain a “non profit”.

So... a ProtonMail clone?

Sure, why not?
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