Adderall Risks: Much More Than You Wanted to Know • Hacker News Board

Re: Adderall Risks: Much More Than You Wanted to Know

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Post by emodendroket » Tue, Jan 02, 2018, 3:01 PM UTC

xocyabencl wrote: post #190

emodendroket wrote: post #188

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It seems to me like this claim contradicts your previous assertion that there's "no zero-sum game." The zero-sum game is, they only need so many workers, and if all your coworkers are achieving levels of productivity only possible with chemical enhancement, then you get left behind.

This is no different than saying that the street sweepers were left behind by street sweeping machines. Or that accountants got left behind by the invention of accounting software. This is what technology is all about. It's not zero-sum, because there's other work in the world waiting to be done to make people's lives better. You may have have a bad work environment where you feel like the only goal of your work is t…

Maybe ideally on some macro level that's how it works out. In the meantime, on the micro level, many people are in competition with their coworkers and it seems kind of blind to the realities of the workplace to pretend otherwise. Everybody here has heard of stack ranking, right?

Re: Adderall Risks: Much More Than You Wanted to Know

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Post by sn9 » Wed, Jan 03, 2018, 12:59 AM UTC

y4mi wrote: post #18

kanishkdudeja wrote: post #7

I felt extremely sad on taking Adderall and other similar stimulant medications like Ritalin. Maybe the sadness effect would have gotten less with continuing the medicine, but overall, I didn't feel like taking drugs since they cause a lot of other side effects like insomnia. Now I've been able to control my ADHD successfully. Atleast upto the point that it has stopped affecting my life and career so much. a) 0 sugar…

How do you get enough vitamins without any fruits? Are you just using supplements?

You can avoid fruits and still get your nutrition from vegetables, which are more nutrient dense in general (especially leafy greens).

Of course, fruits are more tasty.

Re: Adderall Risks: Much More Than You Wanted to Know

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Post by fragsworth » Wed, Jan 03, 2018, 4:34 AM UTC

png_hero wrote: post #168

fragsworth wrote: post #88

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> Hmmm, never heard of adding NAC. And do you supplement magnesium too? > Your talking about things I’ve never heard of before, this does sound advanced. Any other things on your stack? The original article mentioned how society has determined it is "not okay for people with already-fine concentration to use it to become superhuman". The way you talk about this, though. Being impressed about someone's "advanced stack…

> I feel like your attitude is kinda offensive and disgusting. How much money have you made by abusing drugs in our rat race? Yeah, I am kinda disgusted myself, but I am right on the cusp, and I am grasping at it. That last sprint. I’ve locked in 99.5%-tile wealth, but the next month to six will determine if I can get into 99.9%-tile, where the true game change is. And I’m under no illusion, if I don’t bag this deal…

Fair enough

Re: Adderall Risks: Much More Than You Wanted to Know

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Post by fny » Fri, Jan 05, 2018, 4:42 AM UTC

astrange wrote: post #9

fny wrote: post #6

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I don't take adderall, but I'm not too convinced by the concerns listed here. The drug seems far less risky than alcohol on all counts, and I'm pretty sure all amphetamine users are aware that their playing with some sort of fire. I think the compelling question is why people feel so compelled to take a pill to sell their souls to a rat race? Seems like an almost Huxleyan Prisoner's Dilemma to me.

If you're "ADHD" it affects having fun just as much as working - imagine you can't finish a book and you can't hold down a conversation with a stranger long enough to start dating them. There are pretty universal subconscious skills medication improves here.

I should have clarified: I'm talking about "abusers" here, not those who genuinely need the drug.

Re: Adderall Risks: Much More Than You Wanted to Know

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Post by sambe » Sat, Jan 06, 2018, 10:37 AM UTC

DannyBee wrote: post #83

sambe wrote: post #40

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The article itself doesn't, some of the quotes from relevant papers do. It seems likely that studies are often done comparing treatments, and at least one of the quotes has context supporting that idea.

No, it very clearly mixes anecdotes from the papers about atomoxetine with those of amphetamine variants. It also lumps in "adhd drug" risk studies (which include plenty of non-stimulants) into a discussion about adderall and it's variants. Given the papers clearly state that some of these risks/issues are only appreciable for the amphetamine variants (and some only appreciable for the non-amphetamine drugs), this is…

What do you mean "no"? The article literally never mentions atomoxetine outside of quoted text. It mentions it twice in the contextual part of quotes from papers also dealing with amphetamine variants.

There is a single anecdote about atomoxetine. The quote has nothing to do with the drug's action. The point of the anecdote is the researchers' attitude toward the behaviour of young children, in the context of debating their approach to judging side-effects. That is certainly relevant context: the paper in question is also looking at side-effects for amphetamine variants. Strange approaches to behaviour classification likely apply across all the trials involved.

Your original comment was that this is confusing. I think it's very clear. I am not left with the impression that results for atomoxetine are being conflated with results for amphetamine variants.