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An Open Letter to the FCC

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#191

To play devil’s advocate, are we really ready for Internet to be regulated like a public utility? Like water, we will need to pay more the more we consume. You and I can pay but what about poor people? Will this discourage Internet usage?

> To play devil’s advocate, are we really ready for Internet to be regulated like a public utility? Yes. > Like water, we will need to pay more the more we consume. We already do, though it's more noticeable for mobile broadband. Also, not all public utilities are metered—I’ve lived in places with unmetered public water, for instance, so the connection you draw between metering and public utilities is false. > You an…

Not where I live. Public utilities like water and electricity are run by private companies and no subsidies are offered.

Re: An Open Letter to the FCC

#192

To play devil’s advocate, are we really ready for Internet to be regulated like a public utility? Like water, we will need to pay more the more we consume. You and I can pay but what about poor people? Will this discourage Internet usage?

You’re talking about metered or tiered pricing, which is already allowed and has nothing to do with net neutrality. Net neutrality means ISPs can’t favor some traffic over other traffic.

Not with wifi. Fios offers different speeds but it does not charge by consumption.

Re: An Open Letter to the FCC

#193
You all need to convince Trump supporters to call too.

They hate 330 page document.

Ive gotten alot of feedback saying they'd support a 2 page version that promised dumb pipes and not the other 328 pages of nonsense.

Re: An Open Letter to the FCC

#194
post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a completely different topic altogether, though. Even if there were 100 ISPs, Net Neutrality would still be an issue. When there was plenty of competition among long distance phone carriers (back when people needed to worry about that kind of thing), there still was "phone neutrality", meaning that no phone operator could slow down or otherwise interfere with your call based on who you were calling, what provi…

It's not the exact same thing. Phone calls are predominantly direct, 1:1 exchanges (in some cases you may have a conference call with a few other parties on the line). No single party could be responsible for a huge majority of the load on a phone network without seeing proportional billing; that is, if you wanted to have 300 simultaneous calls from your office, you had to pay for 300 open phone lines. Since the inte…

>Phone calls are predominantly direct, 1:1 exchanges

>Since the internet is instead a broadcast medium, it is much easier for big players to saturate the lines

The Internet is _not_ a broadcast medium. Data transfer over the Internet is by nature peer-to-peer.

>ISPs naturally believe that _someone_ should be paying for what they interpret as the "extra load" from these big players

Someone _is_ paying for the load for big players: the consumers who are accessing their sites.

>some households will use 30Mbit/s streaming content to 4 devices for 10 hours per day, and the next household, which pays the same monthly internet bill, uses 5Mbit/s or less to read predominantly-text based sites for 2 hours per day

30 Mb/s residential service already costs more than 5 Mb/s residential service.

>Net neutrality is fundamentally large internet companies looking to keep their costs down by using government force to prevent ISPs from charging them usage-based "carriage fees" or similar.

Net neutrality is fundamentally a consumer protection preventing ISPs from leveraging their natural monopolies on last-mile service to enact rent-seeking policies. Whether ISPs charge consumers directly for access to, say, competing content providers ("Watch Turner Classic Movies for free with Spectrum Basic 10 Mb/s, or upgrade to Spectrum Premium 10 Mb/s for only $19.99 per month to access Netflix, Hulu, and HBO!"), or they charge those content providers extra to peer their traffic and those content providers fold that into subscription fees, we're the ones getting bent over the barrel.

Re: An Open Letter to the FCC

#195
post #69

I'm one of the people who has had part of their identity used to submit false comments. Found out when a journalist emailed me asking me to do a survey and some additional comments months ago. I proceeded to sign up for an API key[1] to confirm what was being claimed and turns out, it was true. The API is a bit limited, but I was also able to do searches using the falsely submitted comment to find others like it as w…

>What is a citizen to do when they try to do everything in their power and play by the rules - vote, submit comments, call representatives, contact press for help, and repeat - results in nothing?

you already know the answer, you are just afraid to say it. stop playing by the rules. arm yourself and your allies. then send a clear signal that there will be blood if your political demands are not met.

>I'm not even sure how to describe our government anymore...

the word is post-democratic or perhaps, totalitarian democratic.

Re: An Open Letter to the FCC

#196
post #69

I'm one of the people who has had part of their identity used to submit false comments. Found out when a journalist emailed me asking me to do a survey and some additional comments months ago. I proceeded to sign up for an API key[1] to confirm what was being claimed and turns out, it was true. The API is a bit limited, but I was also able to do searches using the falsely submitted comment to find others like it as w…

I believe that there are a lot of fake comments(possibly threads) appearing on Hacker News. I'm sure on Reddit and everywhere on the Internet that influences peoples' oomph to stand up for something like Net Neutrality. I mean why in the world in 2017 are we so apathetic about something so important? We were up in arms about in 2013 and stopped SOPA then!!!

>why in the world in 2017 are we so apathetic about something so important?

it is not that people do not care; it is that they do not understand how to use force to achieve their goals. they do not understand how to contest the government's exclusive claim to rights like management of the internet, etc.

or they must show up for work and don't have the time to make physical appearances in places that create inconvenience-- fundamentally refusing to accept that their duty as citizens to contest government overreach is more important than their own personal life running smoothly.

Re: An Open Letter to the FCC

#197
post #8

More and more we see state agencies standing up to regime change in Washington (ex: CA and environmental regulations). Regardless of your personal politics, I wonder how this dynamic will affect democracy in the US.

centrifugal forces affect countries by tearing them into pieces; the number of pieces depends on how long you run the centrifuge and at what speed.

the US has long been subject to many centrifugal forces, one of which was the tension between state and federal bodies of government. trump has accelerated the centrifuge's rate of rotation past safely sustainable speeds.

Re: An Open Letter to the FCC

#198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They could try but the FCC would almost certainly contest that the states do not have the right to pass such laws. Additionally there is nothing stopping the FCC from passing rules forbidding states from regulating net neutrality.

States should try and let the FCC slog through the courts to stop it.

I mean they might be able to but why do you think the states are going to be so opposed to this?

Re: An Open Letter to the FCC

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post #198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

States should try and let the FCC slog through the courts to stop it.

I mean they might be able to but why do you think the states are going to be so opposed to this?

Because they’re more accountable to their constituents than the FCC.

Re: An Open Letter to the FCC

#200
post #69

I'm one of the people who has had part of their identity used to submit false comments. Found out when a journalist emailed me asking me to do a survey and some additional comments months ago. I proceeded to sign up for an API key[1] to confirm what was being claimed and turns out, it was true. The API is a bit limited, but I was also able to do searches using the falsely submitted comment to find others like it as w…

I believe that there are a lot of fake comments(possibly threads) appearing on Hacker News. I'm sure on Reddit and everywhere on the Internet that influences peoples' oomph to stand up for something like Net Neutrality. I mean why in the world in 2017 are we so apathetic about something so important? We were up in arms about in 2013 and stopped SOPA then!!!

Like my father always used to say - being apathetic on any important issue makes you; a pathetic! (:
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