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Re: Russian Hackers Stole NSA Data on U.S. Cyber Defense

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Post by nl »

peoplewindow wrote: post #168
Haydos585x2 wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you'll find Russia is doing a bit world wide. They've just finished up the Zapad war games again, denounced Georgia having war games with the US. Getting back into Uzbekistan now that Karimov is gone. Russian companies are now supplying internet and phone service to North Koreans. Crimea is still going on with continuing threats to Ukranian sovereignty. Russian gov has just committed more funds to Kalningrad…

Russians have alledgedly been involved with the Catalonian independence movement Lol, here we go ahead. And where's the evidence of that? I mean damn, those darn Ruskies! Trump, Brexit and Catalonia too! Is there anything happening in western politics that isn't their fault? Wait, I thought the reason Russia allegedly did something to support Leave in the Brexit referendum was because they wanted countries to leave t…

And where's the evidence of that?

https://medium.com/dfrlab/electionwatch-russia-and-referendu...

http://www.politico.eu/article/russia-catalonia-referendum-f...

Summary: there's been some attempts, but not as well organized or concentrated as the US, French or German election campaigns.

Re: Russian Hackers Stole NSA Data on U.S. Cyber Defense

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Post by BoiledCabbage »

dralley wrote: post #31
NN88 wrote: post #3

THEY EXPLOITED KASPERSKY TO DO IT. HOLY. SHIT. Full Text: http://archive.is/szjBQ

I believe the allegation isn't that Kasperky was used to exfiltrate the data, but that Kasperky is passing information about certain files on customer computers to Russian Intelligence. In this case, they believe the presence of NSA malware samples on the contractor's computer, detected by Kasperky, was used to target him.

I also believe that they actually know more than they are willing to quote in a paper. Likely Kaspersky was used to exfiltrate the data as well, but they aren't willing to say that. I don't have any evidence of this, but considering the closeness of Kaspersky to the govt, and the built in ability to directly upload files, it seems overkill to try to find a new exploit.

Re: Russian Hackers Stole NSA Data on U.S. Cyber Defense

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Post by nl »

spaceseaman wrote: post #167
nl wrote: post #161

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It's odd that people keep saying to trust the intel agencies, since much of the best research on the propaganda side is done in academia, and the data is out there. Here's a Tableau of the influence of just 6 of the ~200 recently banned Russian-run groups on Facebook: https://public.tableau.com/profile/d1gi#!/vizhome/FB4/TotalR... Here's the raw data: https://data.world/d1gi/missing-fb-posts-w-share-stats Here's some…

Wow I wasn't aware this was so directly available. Thanks!

No problem. It's a bit sad how rarely people bother to look into this.

People spend hours arguing on HN about this, and it takes a lot less time to take a look at the data.

You don't even have to be anti-Trump to agree with what the data shows: That set I linked to had strongly anti-Trump groups like "Blacktivists", "United Muslims of America" and "LGBT United".

Re: Russian Hackers Stole NSA Data on U.S. Cyber Defense

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Post by linkregister »

mncharity wrote: post #110
dreamfactored wrote: post #77

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I'm going to take it that you've never done public sector contracting. The security rules are in reality less 007 and more school library, and this is totally believable. There is another story in the news now about soldiers smartphones being hacked in Eastern Europe. The troops are therefore made to go through water every day but some of them just put their phones in condoms. Defense contractors aren't even state em…

> Russia [...] controlled states [...] e.g. bring your passport to buy a train ticket to another town That's a blast from the past. So, for those who haven't seen these, last century there used to be a set of "we're not like them , we have freedom!" examples, which were used in popular dialog to contrast the United States with the Soviet Union. Needing government papers to travel was one. The Soviet people feeling "w…

Where your analogy falls apart is that in Soviet states, passports weren't granted automatically as they are in the United States, nor was inter-state travel approved in the Soviet Union except for cause. There is no authority in the United States that requires justification for interstate air or train travel.

Re: Russian Hackers Stole NSA Data on U.S. Cyber Defense

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Post by linkregister »

c3534l wrote: post #136
jejeuei73737 wrote: post #133

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You are out there every day pushing back against anonymous voting then? Who voted for which candidate is secret and we rely on counts that aren’t broadcast live

Anonymous doesn't mean secret. If the governor of Ohio says his people want Trump over Hilary, just trust him, you don't need to know how he knows would you? I mean, I don't trust unauditable electronic voting machines. I certainly wouldn't trust someone who couldn't even point to the machine he got his info from.

Much of the voting system is an exercise of trust. The most reliable part of it, besides the fact that election officers are publicly known and accountable, is that officers from both parties oversee each voting center. Your trust is that the adversarial nature of the political parties will raise alarms if the ballots are tampered with.

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Post by linkregister »

zghst wrote: post #118
spaceseaman wrote: post #75

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> Our media and our government lied to generate a case for war. And I feel lately that they are now trying to build a case for some sort of conflict, presumably cold, against Russia I mean, there's verifiable evidence Russia tried to influence our election. That's pretty new for a lot of Americans. I imagine that's why the government and the media are running wild with it. Mueller is still investigating. I would say…

We are witness to the return of menace and mischief by a motivated adversary, nonetheless they have always had their hand in US and EU politics. The revisionist, election hacking narrative is a massive thoughtform, propped up by some savvy scoop every couple of weeks just to die down and go nowhere. Everything the media covers is tainted by an air of sentimentality and idealism, hardly great elements of good journali…

What non-fringe authorities or publications are claiming that the election was hacked?

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Post by indubitable »

shallot_router wrote: post #152
indubitable wrote: post #54

I find these allegations are deserving of some scrutiny. The entire story is quite bizarre when you begin to consider it. The NSA is apparently leaking like a broken pipe with this information. And it's peculiar because this is information that makes our intelligence agencies look completely inept. That is a very good thing if this story is fake, but a very bad thing if its true. It is stupefying that NSA contractors…

>There are also things like Kaspersky previously volunteering to provide complete source access to the government. Our government declined the offer. How does this make sense? First, even if they were giving access to their genuine source code repository, there's absolutely no guarantee that the binaries aren't backdoored by Kaspersky, FSB, or both. Alternatively, they could just hand over a phony copy of the source.…

The same code compiled by the same compiler with the same settings compiles to the same binaries. So you can indeed verify that what you're running and what you have the source code to are indeed one and the same.

For that matter, they could still do that to this day. Pick the time frame that the alleged hack happened and examine the source. And again you can compare the binary output to ensure that you actually have the real thing.

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Post by ionised »

RandVal30142 wrote: post #97
indubitable wrote: post #54

I find these allegations are deserving of some scrutiny. The entire story is quite bizarre when you begin to consider it. The NSA is apparently leaking like a broken pipe with this information. And it's peculiar because this is information that makes our intelligence agencies look completely inept. That is a very good thing if this story is fake, but a very bad thing if its true. It is stupefying that NSA contractors…

>And I feel lately that they are now trying to build a case for some sort of conflict, presumably cold, against Russia. Russia invaded Ukraine & Crimea, ended up downing a civilian airliner killing them all. Slaughtered hospital workers in Syria after following victims of regime chemical weapons attack to the facilities. Has been funneling heavy weapons like T90 tanks into sub-state militias, including the designated…

You say these things like the US isn't doing the same things;

> Russia invaded Ukraine & Crimea, ended up downing a civilian airliner killing them all.

The US invaded Afghanistan and Iraq, pretty much paved the way for the rise of ISIS.

> Slaughtered hospital workers in Syria after following victims of regime chemical weapons attack to the facilities.

The US bombed a civilian hospital in Syria, killed about 30 people.

> Has been funneling heavy weapons like T90 tanks into sub-state militias, including the designated terrorist org Hezbollah.

The US has been selling weapons to some lovely places. The terrorist factory of Saudi Arabia for one.

> What will it take to get you to understand Russia is at war with the world?

What will it take to get you to understand that the US is the new Empire, at war with the world?

> Does another civilian airliner need to be downed? Should another analyst/journalist get kidnapped and brought into Russia to be disappeared?

Does another hospital need to be bombed by US airstrikes? Do some more journalists and civilians need to be murdered by some dumb-ass American shitheels in a gunship that thinks its funny to do what they did?

Dude the lack of self-awareness in your post is astounding. People in glass houses and all that jazz.

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Post by ionised »

RandVal30142 wrote: post #123
sergers wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Minus the taking of land, Crimea by Russia, and the civilian abduction (US just more secretive)same can be said for US actions over the past decades. Does that mean USA is war with the world (under trump now, yes, but I am implying before that)? How many other nations elections has USA undermined, accidental civilian casualties(including downing of a civilian plane) and funding to terrorists (directly funding Taliban…

>same can be said for US actions over the past decades Is this really the best response? A deflection? Do you know how tiring it gets? How little it advances discussion? My peers are being hunted for documenting war crimes but OK US did similar stuff some decades ago so I guess the topic is resolved for good. Wrapped up nicely with a bow for eternity.

> Is this really the best response? A deflection? Do you know how tiring it gets? How little it advances discussion?

What you posted is also a deflection. You are turning false equivalency into a logical fallacy here.

How about you address the similarities instead of dismissing uncomfortable truths about your own country while simultaneously attacking others.

It is the worst type of jingoism.

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Post by travmatt »

peoplewindow wrote: post #174
state_less wrote: post #163

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> I too would like to see this verifiable evidence. He went to the meeting because Russians said they have dirt on Hilary and admitted it. Also, There was at least one Russian troll farm targeting voters. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/facebook-says-it-sol... Russia also has a history of influencing elections in other countries.

"Russians" didn't. A woman did. It turned out she had nothing and the meeting was a waste of time. Very far from what the phrase "meeting with the Russians" implies - some sort of large, organised group engaged in official Russian state business.

It’s odd how you are trying to misrepresent and confuse other people about the truth.
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