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Post by jamesrcole »

dragonwriter wrote: post #172
jamesrcole wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think the consumer cares about such duplication (indirectly, they will, if it makes the headphones cost more, though I think that cost will go down over time). An advantage I didn't mention in my original comment is: getting rid of cables. Personally, I hate headphone cables. They seem to always be getting tangled up when the headphones aren't in use (meaning I have to mess around untangling them before using…

> I don't think the consumer cares about such duplication Aside from cost, more devices that need to be charged creates more overhead.

It's cost vs benefit. Obviously there's differences of opinions on the costs vs benefits, but I'm of the view that the benefits of wireless outweigh the costs of charging the headphones.

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Post by watbe »

mullingitover wrote: post #170

I witnessed my girlfriend's Nexus 6p support experience with Google and it was not pretty. I would never buy a Google phone after that. The phone, just barely out of warranty, goes into a bootloop and becomes a paperweight. Google helpfully shrugs the problem off on Huawei, and Huawei will of course not support the product since it's out of warranty. There is no repair option. I tried Android early on, had similarly…

On the contrary, because I bought the Nexus 6P from the Google Store, they replaced it with a Pixel XL for free. The Google experience is terrible through a third party, but their Google 'direct' experience is pretty darn fantastic.

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Post by jm_l »

iMark wrote: post #181
syntaxing wrote: post #106

I really wish they would reintroduce the Nexus series. The money felt worth it for the phone. Not sure if I can say the same for the Pixel series.

What’s in a name? A rose by any other name would smell as sweet.

Pixel's goal is to be an iPhone competitor. This is reflected in its pricing and product design. Nexus was for Android enthusiasts who wanted the stock experience. I think in their own words it was "meant to showcase the best of Android."

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Post by angus-prune »

Zak wrote: post #167
jamesrcole wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think (good implementations of) wireless headphones are the way of the future. What did they gain by removing floppy disk drives from laptops? Well, nothing per se, but it allowed them to make smaller laptops. Removing the jack will allow them to make phones thinner - if not now, in future iterations. And the thing with keeping features around is that it's not just a question of that one feature. It's cumulative ov…

The floppy disk stopped being good at moving files between computers and making backups because single files of popular types regularly exceeded its capacity at the time it stopped being a standard feature. Modems and CD drives had fallen into disuse in favor of alternatives by the time they started getting left out. The analog headphone jack still does as good a job of connecting headphones, speakers and such in a p…

When Apple released the imac without a floppy drive, public opinion definitely wasn't with them.

As far as I can tell, that move is now seen as prescient rather than premature.

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Post by shimon »

mullingitover wrote: post #170

I witnessed my girlfriend's Nexus 6p support experience with Google and it was not pretty. I would never buy a Google phone after that. The phone, just barely out of warranty, goes into a bootloop and becomes a paperweight. Google helpfully shrugs the problem off on Huawei, and Huawei will of course not support the product since it's out of warranty. There is no repair option. I tried Android early on, had similarly…

This sounds terrible. FWIW, I have Project Fi and have had several excellent experiences with their support, including replacing a Nexus 5X that my wife dropped and then ran over with the car.

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Post by SapphireSun »

the_common_man wrote: post #139
noncoml wrote: post #122

Why would anyone pay money to buy a phone from an advertising company?

Yeah, I feel Google should re-invent itself and make some bold decisions to move out of it's ad business. They seem very capable of making excellent products. Will their shareholders be up in arms if they got out slowly from this add business? Google Apps, Android, Pixel etc are really excellent products.

Never gonna happen. Google can do the things it does because it holds monopoly pricing in internet advertising. The freedom from competition and massive capitalization is what allows it to invest in blue sky projects.

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Post by mattnewton »

moduspol wrote: post #190
mattnewton wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ethernet makes less sense on a mobile device, because you don’t carry routers on your body, and the standard was no where near as old. Again, removing because there was a better alternative. Adaptors are not a better alternative. Bluetooth is not a better alternative.

WiFi is in no way better than Ethernet except one: That you don't have a cable. Bluetooth headphones are no different.

Your metaphor is dropping important details. The cable mattered because it tethered you to a location, which is not true of headphones. Routers also didn’t need to be charged before or after.

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Post by CoffeeDregs »

shimon wrote: post #195
mullingitover wrote: post #170

I witnessed my girlfriend's Nexus 6p support experience with Google and it was not pretty. I would never buy a Google phone after that. The phone, just barely out of warranty, goes into a bootloop and becomes a paperweight. Google helpfully shrugs the problem off on Huawei, and Huawei will of course not support the product since it's out of warranty. There is no repair option. I tried Android early on, had similarly…

This sounds terrible. FWIW, I have Project Fi and have had several excellent experiences with their support, including replacing a Nexus 5X that my wife dropped and then ran over with the car.

Project Fi's support has been nothing short of spectacular... I've had two slow activations (coming from StraightTalk) and they've spent 10-20 minutes on the phone with me until the problem was resolved.

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Post by bitmapbrother »

mastax wrote: post #18

An LG G6 for $350 more†. + Software updates + Camera software (probably) + Squeezing - Dual camera Did I miss anything? †Yes it's unfair to compare speculated launch price to current store price but that's the decision I'm making right now.

>Did I miss anything?

3 years of OS and Security updates. The LG will be lucky to get 1.

Unlimited full resolution photo and movie backups.

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Post by CaptSpify »

rmwaite wrote: post #109
drenvuk wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This was an unnecessary change no matter how you slice it. Just look at the other options: bluetooth or an adapter. With bluetooth you have to pair it and remember to charge the headphones. With an adapter you have to remember to bring it everywhere if you want to listen to a podcast or music or audio book. They say they're making a simple device but they're making my life more complicated. This is one of the few tim…

then use another type of connector for headphones. aux does not have to be the only connector forever. what makes this so special that it is the only connector that people refuse to upgrade? EVERY OTHER CONNECTOR has gone through improvements. new USB standards. new video. everything. why is this any different?

> EVERY OTHER CONNECTOR has gone through improvements. new USB standards. new video. everything. why is this any different?

Because BT isn't an improvement. It's a worse experience in almost every way.

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