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China Bans Bitcoin Executives from Leaving Country, Miners “Preparing for Worst”

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Re: China Bans Bitcoin Executives from Leaving Country, Miners “Preparing for Worst”

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The difference I think is that bitcoin allows someone with no connections to bypass capital controls. I'm not saying bitcoin isn't a rounding error, I'm sure other priorities (like ICO scams) are at work, but that might be another point.

But someone with no connections would presumably not have that much capital to move either, right? They'd not move much volume even if they bypassed capital controls.

It can be dangerous though. If suddenly several million citizens start transferring small amounts you can easily get outflows of several billion USD a month. Done by a few that would be an amount easily noticed.

Re: China Bans Bitcoin Executives from Leaving Country, Miners “Preparing for Worst”

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You mean to tell me, if I go visit China they may _force_ me to do a drug test?

More likely, they will politely request that you comply and tell you to leave the country if you refuse.

agreed. foreigner in China will be most likely treated as superior class.

Re: China Bans Bitcoin Executives from Leaving Country, Miners “Preparing for Worst”

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So... Are we going to see a surge of cheap second hand GPUs?

They mine with ASIC chips they themselves manufacture in China. If anything this hurts our ability to buy mining hardware from china, the main supplier.

Re: China Bans Bitcoin Executives from Leaving Country, Miners “Preparing for Worst”

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One would be naive to think that a government like PBOC would just let it be. But this is long-term positive news for Bitcoin. It is good that China is taking steps to regulate the cryptocurrency world (starting with an outright ban, I guess) Especially the ICO's, which are mostly scams, and even those that aren't should probably be treated as securities. Bitcoin (and other crypto-currency) exchanges also could use s…

To be fair, in the past exchanges weren't the one advancing rules against spoofing. Only when regulators forced them to act they actually started stepping in. Exchanges have an incentive to maximise trading volume, high volatility is good for them.

Re: China Bans Bitcoin Executives from Leaving Country, Miners “Preparing for Worst”

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Why would they ban blue cheese? Is drug use high among foreigners or is that just a harrassement control to keep them in mental check, so they fear the unpredictability of the government and the power they hold over individual fate?

My guess is food safety. Not quite real food safety, but also not made up. Some European cheeses are not available in here Australia because of regulations about how dairy products have to be processed (Pasteurisation I guess). Not only might that logic work in China too, but the culture is less tolerant of a food-stuff what is after all curdled milk with a fungal infection. (And we in the west get grossed out by chi…

Isn't cheese from raw milk also banned in the US? Think this was a topic then EU and US discussed a free-trade deal.

Raw milk products are certainly not as safe as pasteurised products but many people are willing to take the risk to enjoy the product.

Re: China Bans Bitcoin Executives from Leaving Country, Miners “Preparing for Worst”

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You mean to tell me, if I go visit China they may _force_ me to do a drug test?

Only if you are unfortunate enough to be in a bar which gets raided at the wrong time (ie bars which are believed to have had drug dealers or drug users in the past) OR if you were in contact with a dealer who got busted. It happens but it's still pretty rare The scary thing is that if you are tested positive I believe you would end up in jail for a month before getting deported, even if you consumed legal drugs in y…

> The scary thing is that if you are tested positive I believe you would end up in jail for a month before getting deported, even if you consumed legal drugs in your country (ie cannabis)

This would probably happen in many countries. If I were to smoke cannabis legally and this showed up in a drug test in the US (e.g. stopped while driving) you could also be arrested as a foreigner. With many drugs the effects are not as clear as with alcohol, a test can show up positive even though effects are long gone.

Re: China Bans Bitcoin Executives from Leaving Country, Miners “Preparing for Worst”

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> It's refreshing that a country can act this quickly I'll remind you of how refreshing it is when I drag your family off the gulag without warrant. Its not "refreshing", its scary.

First off - no one has been dragged off, they are merely preventing the exchange operators (that are originally resident in China anyway) from leaving the country until they execute an orderly shutdown. i.e. No holidays for now, we don't want you doing a MarkK. Also, we are talking China here not NK, but don't let the facts get in the way of your point. Btw, you do have "temporary injunctions" in other parts of the w…

you're espousing the benefits of autocratic control. I am describing the trade-off. Sure, maybe China isn't dragging people off to gulags today but the point is that autocratic control means they can if they want to.

Re: China Bans Bitcoin Executives from Leaving Country, Miners “Preparing for Worst”

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What's interesting to me is that no amount of bad news appears to affect the price of BTC. I'm not a professional or amateur trader (I've got no position on BTC at all) but the price fluctuations really seem dominated by sentiment over any sort of fundamentals.

> no amount of bad news appears to affect the price > price fluctuations seem dominated by sentiment Are these not two contradictory statements?

Maybe the GP reads the word 'sentiment' as the root of 'sentimental' and interprets it as only referring to good sentiment, a synonym for rose-colored glasses?

Re: China Bans Bitcoin Executives from Leaving Country, Miners “Preparing for Worst”

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In your US example I don't think you have to report anything. Buying a house in Switzerland wouldn't require paying any US taxes. If anything, you'd have taxes on the original source of the money (if it's income) but that has nothing to do with the house purchase.

Not sure about the US but in many countries you'd still have to report it. For statistical reasons (so that economic indicators can be calculated properly) and to avoid money laundering or terrorism financing rules (the Swiss hotel could be owned by someone on a black list).

I don't think the US has any obligations on the part of the client for those situations. Banks would have AML (Anti Money Laundering) rules that would require confirming or reporting certain transactions but as an individual you wouldn't have to file any papers yourself.

There is a separate provision[1] that requires the reporting of foreign accounts but I think it's specific to bank and financial accounts. I don't think direct ownership of real estate in a foreign country is required to be reported (as opposed to ownership through a REIT).

[1]: https://www.irs.gov/businesses/small-businesses-self-employe...

Re: China Bans Bitcoin Executives from Leaving Country, Miners “Preparing for Worst”

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China sounds great, you should apply for citizenship?

It's almost impossible for foreigners

Not almost, there are whooping 48 or 49 naturalized Chinese citizens who got citizenship through means other than marriage since the naturalization law was introduced 1998
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