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Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by new299 » Thu, Sep 07, 2017, 4:44 PM UTC

Karunamon wrote: post #184

new299 wrote: post #174

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What are good options for replacing Confluence? I looked at available open source wiki's maybe 1 or 2 years ago and there seems to be nothing that was as easy to use for non-technical people (which would include having WYSIWYG style editing). Are there any good options now?

MediaWiki now has a decent WYSIWYG editor (you can demo it on wikipedia), but IMO, it's still way too unfriendly for people that don't know their way around markup language. Confluence has a nice balance of ease when you need it and flexibility when you don't.

Shame, sounds like it's the only option. It would be nice to see some competition in this area and wiki's are a great collaboration tool in interdisciplinary environments.

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by jamiesonbecker » Thu, Sep 07, 2017, 4:47 PM UTC

solatic wrote: post #187

jamiesonbecker wrote: post #149

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Awesome, thanks! We definitely offer trial versions to install on-prem with a built-in permanent 10-server license (via a one-liner), and we provide 30 (and sometimes 60) day free trials for however many servers you need for anyone who asks. Converting to production is just a matter of pasting a new key. We could probably make this a bit more clear on our website though (it's buried in our docs section[1]) That is a…

> without diving too deep into the `curl https | sh` debate :) So now that it's clear to me that it is possible to do an on-prem install, I decided to look at your curl->sh install script. You guys are basically justifying the fears of our security folks. After grabbing sudo from the user, without asking permission, you pkill NTPD (!), add pool.ntp.org (never mind that we may run our own NTP servers, specifically to…

Hi Solatic, no problem and appreciate your direct approach :)

Pull requests are gratefully accepted: https://github.com/userify/userify-server-tools

Why don't you discuss with one of our solutions architects (or me) by email instead? Most enterprises definitely do package for their unique environment, and we certainly will assist. My email is jamieson.becker@.

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by fragmede » Thu, Sep 07, 2017, 4:49 PM UTC

pavel_lishin wrote: post #94

bamboozled wrote: post #57

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Agreed, there is little that Slack gives me IRC doesn't, a good client and I'm set.

> a good client What IRC client provides: - inline image uploads - multiline messages - chat search, including messages sent while your client is offline - pretty code formatting - pretty text formatting - file uploads - user management I know that IRC accomplishes something like 95% of what a team needs to communicate, but Slack absolutely shines at that last 5%. We currently use Hipchat, and it supports a lot of wh…

IRC is a technical detail like SMTP or TLS 1.2 (or XMPP), and should be treated as such. That there are numerous pre-existing clients is beneficial for those who already have a preference, but as evidenced by Slack, the number of client programs available is far from the most important feature.

It would be really neat to create a IRC server that bundled supported web, desktop, and mobile (ios and android) clients with first-class support for that last 5% of features, but I'm doubtful of how much money there really is to be made. People are cheap, and Slack is "free" - I mean, it's actually not free for the organization, but users don't pay a monetary price to download the client to use the system, so I see charging users money for high quality IRC clients as an uphill battle.

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by yaseer » Thu, Sep 07, 2017, 4:49 PM UTC

morinted wrote: post #10

Now we have Slack, Discord, Gitter, Microsoft Teams, and Atlassian Stride. I'm not sure when chat rooms became a business tool. Personally, I find myself distracted more than anything from all the notifications these apps cause, I get less done. I have to be sure to quit every chat app and put my phone in "do not disturb" to disconnect and focus, and then I get coworkers mad that I'm not online. At least with email I…

There is a 'Focus' mode; built into the app, which provides a summary after you come out of it.

Seems like a neat feature - if it became the norm across app apps, it may solve the concentration problem.

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by Insanity » Thu, Sep 07, 2017, 4:57 PM UTC

morinted wrote: post #10

Now we have Slack, Discord, Gitter, Microsoft Teams, and Atlassian Stride. I'm not sure when chat rooms became a business tool. Personally, I find myself distracted more than anything from all the notifications these apps cause, I get less done. I have to be sure to quit every chat app and put my phone in "do not disturb" to disconnect and focus, and then I get coworkers mad that I'm not online. At least with email I…

I do not consider Discord to belong in that space. it is aimed at gamers and not productivity at work

in that sense it is more like steam and xfire.

other than that I completely agree, but it still beats people coming over to your desk every few minutes and asking questions for which you need to stop your music and drop everything immediatly.

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by baddox » Thu, Sep 07, 2017, 5:04 PM UTC

morinted wrote: post #10

Now we have Slack, Discord, Gitter, Microsoft Teams, and Atlassian Stride. I'm not sure when chat rooms became a business tool. Personally, I find myself distracted more than anything from all the notifications these apps cause, I get less done. I have to be sure to quit every chat app and put my phone in "do not disturb" to disconnect and focus, and then I get coworkers mad that I'm not online. At least with email I…

I'm basically the opposite. I cannot stand email for day-to-day work discussion, because there is effectively no way to distinguish messages by priority or time-sensitivity. Email sits in the horrible middle road between synchronous (like a phone call) or asynchronous (like a physical mailed letter). I think email works well (and seems to be designed) for the latter use case, but at work there may be an expectation of prompt responses.

For me, Slack and similar work really well for small companies or teams (20 or less). I haven't experienced work chat in a larger company or team, so I could see it getting messy.

As for people getting mad at you for going offline to buckle down and get work done, that seems like a business culture issue that isn't going to be any better at the same company if they got rid of work chat.

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by bananateam » Thu, Sep 07, 2017, 5:05 PM UTC

davidjgraph wrote: post #18

eterm wrote: post #12

Isn't hipchat its slack competitor? Where does this leave that project? Hipchat is already suffering from poor support, its windows client is awful since it went to "version 2".

I'm suspecting Hipchat will be for Server/Data Center (i.e. self-hosted) and Stride will be their cloud offering.

yes

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by mattl » Thu, Sep 07, 2017, 5:06 PM UTC

scrollaway wrote: post #185

kuschku wrote: post #102

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IRCCloud, Quassel. All of that exists, and can be used.

No, stop. Please. I was a huge proponent of IRC but the lack of developments the past... decades has killed it for me. Discord is straight up better. Yes it's proprietary, but no, IRC is just not a good alternative at this point, it hasn't kept up. And I love to death what the IRCCloud guys are doing but it's just not good enough to use as a proper communication tool especially in a company. Admitting this is the fir…

You need to go where your community is. If your audience is primarily on IRC, you can't just ignore it.

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by Kiro » Thu, Sep 07, 2017, 5:06 PM UTC

Insanity wrote: post #195

morinted wrote: post #10

Now we have Slack, Discord, Gitter, Microsoft Teams, and Atlassian Stride. I'm not sure when chat rooms became a business tool. Personally, I find myself distracted more than anything from all the notifications these apps cause, I get less done. I have to be sure to quit every chat app and put my phone in "do not disturb" to disconnect and focus, and then I get coworkers mad that I'm not online. At least with email I…

I do not consider Discord to belong in that space. it is aimed at gamers and not productivity at work in that sense it is more like steam and xfire. other than that I completely agree, but it still beats people coming over to your desk every few minutes and asking questions for which you need to stop your music and drop everything immediatly.

Many companies and open source communities have migrated from Slack to Discord. How is it different, aside from marketing and playful copy?

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by pavement » Thu, Sep 07, 2017, 5:07 PM UTC

altotrees wrote: post #130

So we have all of these chat apps. Choice is never a bad thing, but this has to be somewhat beyond saturation point, no? I don't know about anyone else, but I would rather have my work chat apps resemble social media chat apps less rather than more. Fewer Gif's, fewer emojis — they can be funny and endearing in the right context, but just feel forced and obtuse in a work setting. Also, this is coming from the makers…

  Fewer Gif's, fewer emojis — they can be 
  funny and endearing in the right context, 
  but just feel forced and obtuse in a work 
  setting.

The difference in context is mostly related to the reality that all the best humor is NSFW, whether it's a GIF, an image macro, or any other meme-related content.

The emotional responses being grasped at by most workplace humor is contaminated by power differential, and practical need for a high signal-to-noise ratio so that shit actually gets done. Snappy banter is frequently an accumulation of unwanted cruft, depending on the performer and the audience.

When HR or an operations manager, or anyone else with serious authority in their hands, try their hand at anything other than Dad humor, unless they're extremely clever, and the joke is deftly crafted (usually not the case), the result is often inadvertently crass, and compounded by the Dunning-Kruger effect augmenting their awareness of how unfunny or otherwise tepid their material really is.