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Re: Why PS4 downloads are so slow

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Post by colejohnson66 »

cuckcuckspruce wrote: post #88
colechristensen wrote: post #85

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When I read stories like this I'm bothered by the fact that the author didn't go to their credit card company and chargeback the unwanted purpose. Your credit card is a powerful tool to mitigate retailers not giving you what you expect, using it motivates bad actors quite well. Chargebacks are expensive and too many chargebacks leads to unfavorable terms with the credit card companies which are inescapable to the ret…

Sony bans your PlayStation Store account and you lose all your games when you do a chargeback[1]. Yet another reason to never buy digital downloads from Sony. Edit: Steam puts your account in a restricted mode when you issue a chargeback[2]. [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/PS4/comments/2ivsz3/beware_if_you_s... [2] https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=6687-HJV...

Why is that even legal? Consumer protection laws are supposed to protect you from terrible retailers. But, if I issue a chargeback against Sony for recourse, but still lose, that defeats the purpose of a chargeback.

Re: Why PS4 downloads are so slow

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Post by colejohnson66 »

thanksgiving wrote: post #100
peterwwillis wrote: post #37

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Wasting space is a byproduct of having too much space. Just because it's bloated does not mean they didn't know it was bloated. They probably didn't care. As time goes by, minimum hardware requirements for operating systems increase. This isn't because it is more difficult to write software, or the hardware stopped being capable of doing the same thing it used to do. It's because software design wastes more resources…

I don't know. I like static linking. I'd rather I like things that just work ™. I mean look at PHP for Windows. I can't run php --version because I don't have visual C++ installed. Why? Wouldn't it be easier to include everything you need with your binaries? How much extra stuff are we talking? To me, RAM and processor are much scarcer resources.

To me, that just speaks about Microsoft’s failure to make the C++ redistributible API compatible across versions. If it was, they could just bundle them with the OS.

Re: Why PS4 downloads are so slow

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Post by NTripleOne »

mciancia wrote: post #93
andrewstuart wrote: post #86

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I left PC gaming behind years ago. I like to sit on the couch and I want my gaming device to be a black box that does its job and is dedicated to couch based entertainment (I use it for TV too). PC gaming requires a...... PC... usually sitting at a desk, much more powerful than I need, lots of configuration etc etc to hard.... I'm a couch gamer in the evening after the programming is done. I don't care much about the…

> I don't care much about the PlayStation download thing. I generally prefer to buy my games on DVD anyway. Yeah, wait until you will have 30GB update for a game to download.

Yup, this was my first experience with my brief stint owning a bloodborne machine.

Put in game, 20GB update. Cool, guess I'm not playing that today then.

Sold that thing a couple of months later, what a waste of money the whole rigmarole was. Bloodborne wasn't even that good imo either.

Re: Why PS4 downloads are so slow

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Post by btschaegg »

whipoodle wrote: post #166
khedoros1 wrote: post #123

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Except step 5 needs two variants, then: "Oh, I see why it happens" and "Oh, I see that it doesn't, so let's find a way to communicate better with the user".

There are a lot of ways that things can go, but starting out with the disposition that either the bug report is wrong or the other machine is somehow made of worse silicon than our own, is rarely helpful.

> starting out with the disposition [...] is rarely helpful.

Of course, I fully agree. And yet I have witnessed enough developers stating the first stage almost verbatim as a response to a complaint that I grew really quite fond of the link.

It is, actually, quite useful in that regard - it allows you to point out the absurdity of the statement in a humoristic way.

That, and it wouldn't be a good parody of the Kübler-Ross model if it didn't start with Denial :-)

Re: Why PS4 downloads are so slow

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Post by vegardx »

g09980 wrote: post #36

Want to see something like this for (Apple's) App Store. Downloads are fast, but the App Store experience itself is so, so slow. Takes maybe five seconds to load search results or reviews even on a wi-fi connection.

Not just slow, the search is horrible in other languages than English. The results are all over the place, I often get something completely unrelated in another foreign language as the first match, and with some luck the application I was looking for under it.

Re: Why PS4 downloads are so slow

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Post by RugnirViking »

whipoodle wrote: post #166
khedoros1 wrote: post #123

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Except step 5 needs two variants, then: "Oh, I see why it happens" and "Oh, I see that it doesn't, so let's find a way to communicate better with the user".

There are a lot of ways that things can go, but starting out with the disposition that either the bug report is wrong or the other machine is somehow made of worse silicon than our own, is rarely helpful.

However, investigating every bug report while a worthy cause is something not practical for most shops, especially when the underlying cause for these 'only sometimes and only on my machine' issues is some bizarre bug in some underlying dependency or even windows.

Now fixing these issues can often lead to really lean mean software that flies, but if you're in the all too typical situation of overambitious deadlines then you're already in triage mode and long hard fixes are just about the bottom of the pile

Re: Why PS4 downloads are so slow

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Post by e_proxus »

coolsunglasses wrote: post #172
djhworld wrote: post #153

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Works at 60fps on Nintendo Switch though, which isn't exactly the most powerful machine in the world.

Not just works, it's 100% solid on the Switch outside of the mode-7'ish bonus game with no stuttering or frame drops.

It's good but definitely not 100% solid 60 fps according to Digital Foundry's analysis: https://youtu.be/DXturRMOzU4?t=7m23s

Re: Why PS4 downloads are so slow

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Post by richmarr »

richmarr wrote: post #159
benjiweber wrote: post #152

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Kent Beck talks about this need for context awareness a lot in his 3x (Explore, Expand, Extract). https://www.facebook.com/notes/kent-beck/the-product-develop... https://www.facebook.com/notes/kent-beck/comparing-explore-e...

Beck could have saved time by following tech strategy legend Simon Wardley ;) http://blog.gardeviance.org/2012/06/pioneers-settlers-and-to...

Also note that Wardley was pushing past PaaS into serverless and per-function billing back in 2005 with Zimki... lightyears ahead of AWS, until it was designated 'non core' by Canon.

Re: Why PS4 downloads are so slow

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Post by Cryptoboss »

I rented Final Fantasy XV last night to try it out. I put it in and had a 13 Gig update. So of course I had to download it all night to even get a chance to play it. Then I finally open it and it's takes another hour to install it.

Now I'm not even sure I'll get to play it much before I even have to return it. It's a problem.

Re: Why PS4 downloads are so slow

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Post by Companion »

I actually dread downloading patches and whatnot from PSN for this reason. I have a 500 mbit connection, that works perfectly well on all my other devices, but my Ps4 Pro, well, it's incredibly fickle. There'll be days where download speeds are good, and then there'll be days where even downloading 200mb is a challenge. It's all wired, so it's not a wifi related problem. I went through different routers and even changed ISP's once and the problem still persisted, so I think I have ruled it out as being on my end. It seems to be some weird QoS feature of the PS4, or possibly the PSN not being up to scratch - I don't know. Stuff like closing all background apps, or changing DNS, they don't really seem to do anything for me. Sometimes pausing/unpausing does help, though..
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