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Re: Windows Subsystem for Linux is out of beta

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Post by willtim »

grover_hartmann wrote: post #175
mcappleton wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why not use Linux? Same price point advantage, and even better than mac for development because you can develop on the exact same distro you will use for your server.

Indeed, some advantages I can think of with Linux. * Containers (LXC, systemd-nspawn, Docker, etc. and native virtualization with QEMU/KVM), Apple doesn't even come close here. * Use the WM/DE of your choice. * Superior package management (pacman, apt, dnf, flatpak, etc). * Use the distro of your choice. * Use the latest GNU software unlike some crippled bash version like in Mac. * Decide if you want bleeding edge or…

Great summary. I'd like to add the nix package manager to your list. It allows non-destructive updates, rollbacks, parallel installs of different app/library versions, development environments and much more.

Re: Windows Subsystem for Linux is out of beta

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Post by majkinetor »

grover_hartmann wrote: post #175
mcappleton wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why not use Linux? Same price point advantage, and even better than mac for development because you can develop on the exact same distro you will use for your server.

Indeed, some advantages I can think of with Linux. * Containers (LXC, systemd-nspawn, Docker, etc. and native virtualization with QEMU/KVM), Apple doesn't even come close here. * Use the WM/DE of your choice. * Superior package management (pacman, apt, dnf, flatpak, etc). * Use the distro of your choice. * Use the latest GNU software unlike some crippled bash version like in Mac. * Decide if you want bleeding edge or…

Most of that is supported on Windows

* Docker is supported and it will get better. Nano server supports it otb.

* Chocolatey is a great package manager. Others also exist.

* You can use most GNU tools.

* You can use any hardware you want

* Performance is good on Windows

* Freedom, i.e. FOSS is ubiquitous on Windows too (not as much as on Linux for sure tho).

* Privacy and security is good on Windows 10. Linux desktops are honestly not that safe.

Things not supported on Windows are:

* WM/DE - this is not a thing on Windows

* There is only 1 distro of Windows, but you can basically create your own with package manager, its just there aren't currently any OTB.

There are things Windows has better:

* Powershell is way better shell then anything Linux has to offer.

* Games still work better and there are more supported.

* More commercial tools are available for Windows.

Honestly, the only difference now is the culture around it. Although I use Windows as my desktop (which is irrelevant as I live in the shell and browser 24/7, so any OS will do), i prefer Linux engineers.

Server side ofc. you can't really bit the fact that linux servers are mostly free of charge. Windows Enterprise is terribly expensive.

Re: Windows Subsystem for Linux is out of beta

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Post by ageofwant »

midnitewarrior wrote: post #189
mcappleton wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why not use Linux? Same price point advantage, and even better than mac for development because you can develop on the exact same distro you will use for your server.

Because then you have two environments to maintain, your Windows OS and then Linux too. It's much easier to do everything on your Windows PC instead of building two separate environments. Bash on Windows is the best of both worlds together.

Which is why I got rid of Windows, it has nothing to offer that I need or want, so why bother with it?

Re: Windows Subsystem for Linux is out of beta

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Post by ric2b »

jameshart wrote: post #159
karlshea wrote: post #154

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If you're going to be pedantic shouldn't it be "GNU/Linux"?

I guess technically MS need to start referring to Windows 10 as GNU/Linux/Windows now.

More like GNU/Linux/Microsoft/NT. Windows is more of a distro name such as Ubuntu.

Re: Windows Subsystem for Linux is out of beta

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Post by nailer »

delhanty wrote: post #160
bradleyjg wrote: post #84

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Which laptop manufactures have you found to be as reliable and well put together as macbooks? I haven't had too much luck with dells or lenovos.

For those considering MS Surface, be aware that, unlike Apple, support is limited to the country that you purchased the device in. See this comment from 2 months ago on HN [1]. Because of that negative point, I'm now considering one of the Ubuntu Dell Precision models and would appreciate any experiences on HN of Dell and international support for business class laptops. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14400…

Author of that comment here.

Still being sent back and forth between Microsoft UK and Microsoft US with an occasionally unusable laptop.

Re: Windows Subsystem for Linux is out of beta

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Post by IncRnd »

karlshea wrote: post #154
0xbear wrote: post #152

Why is it called Linux, though? There's no Linux there at all IIRC, in the sense that it's not using the Linux kernel.

If you're going to be pedantic shouldn't it be "GNU/Linux"?

The other way around. Being pedantic, it would be GNU without Linux. How is any of that helpful to people?

Re: Windows Subsystem for Linux is out of beta

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Post by IncRnd »

tyrw wrote: post #2

In my experience, emulators are never quite the same as the real deal. Has anyone used this, and if so how was it?

After this was initially announced I ran apt-get a a few times for dependencies, then compiled OpenSSL inside the box. I also got linux apps working with a gui, which was quite possible.

On balance, due to security issues, I decided not to use WSL for day to day.

Re: Windows Subsystem for Linux is out of beta

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Post by IncRnd »

wfunction wrote: post #73
OhSoHumble wrote: post #61

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They did. My point was that I just don't want to encounter bugs. When I run Linux, I get Linux. I already have it installed and I know how it works. I don't want to take the chance of a bug breaking my development workflow.

>> Wasn't that the first beta release of insider? I thought they fixed inode support > They did. My point was that I just don't want to encounter bugs. What an awful response. If that's the problem you have then the solution is that you don't run beta software . You're not really making a sensible point by citing bugs in explicitly-marked-as- beta software as a reason to avoid release software that has already fixed…

That's exactly what he said, that in order to not encounter bugs he stopped using the software.
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