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Microsoft Paint to be killed off after 32 years

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Re: Microsoft Paint to be killed off after 32 years

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They did the same thing with the calculator, turning what is probably the simplest app on the entire computer into a Metro-ified flat-design-meme store-dependent mess for absolutely no benefit.

The new calculator is more useful to me than what came before. It does conversions too, which I use heavily. I like it.

The calc from Windows 7 also did conversions while being really quick to load and have tons of keyboard shortcuts.

Re: Microsoft Paint to be killed off after 32 years

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They did the same thing with the calculator, turning what is probably the simplest app on the entire computer into a Metro-ified flat-design-meme store-dependent mess for absolutely no benefit.

Doesn't Windows include both the old calculator and the new calculator? I'm on Windows 8 and I have both.

>>I'm on Windows 8

Genuinely curious, why?

Re: Microsoft Paint to be killed off after 32 years

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All the comments that "you can just use X to do Y" is missing the point that Paint just works, for almost every value of Y. No argument, Paint.net is great, snipping tool solves the grab and crop, but for most anything else you need to do in a hurry, you need a quick paint program. It's like removing Notepad: we all know hundreds of editors we would replace it with, from Notepad++ to vim/emacs... but isn't nice that…

"And yes, I still miss my 1/8" jack on my iphone. Every single day. And stay off my lawn, you whippersnappers."

In my case so that I can use, with appropriate adapters in some cases, reasonably nice over-ear headphones (Beyerdynamic, Grado and Seinheiser). Do I really need several stages of modulation, propogation, reception and demodulation between me and my signal?

Re: Microsoft Paint to be killed off after 32 years

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Perhaps similar to Notepad, which has been more or less feature-complete since Windows 2000 or so. I guess it is also internally "deprecated", but will continue to be shipped for quite a while. Microsoft doesn't tend to break such things. In Paint's case, I'd guess the most that will happen is that it will vanish from the Start menu, but the executable will still be there.

"Find" in Notepad does not wrap around to the start of the document, and has no option to do so, so in order to search the whole document you have to put the cursor at the start. That's bone-headed behavior and should've been fixed a decade ago.

"in order to search the whole document you have to put the cursor at the start" Yep, but we all know to do this. Better to keep it with this quirk, than remove this indispensable software. Notepad and Paint are so simple and work fine, long may they remain.

Re: Microsoft Paint to be killed off after 32 years

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Pity that they don't open source it. I've gone through multiple image editors on Linux, and none of them have the simplicity of Paint. The layout and functionality is incredibly intuitive. You drop someone into Paint, and even if they've never seen it before, they can start doing stuff within a minute or so. You drop the same person into GIMP, and five minutes later they're still trying to figure out how the hell to…

There is a tool called windows ink that lets you do pretty much that

It doesn't though, it takes a screengrab of your current window and let's you annotate, but only if it's a win32 app or UWP not the win8 apps. I just ran into this issue last night (to be fair snipping also doesn't work).

Re: Microsoft Paint to be killed off after 32 years

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This is silliness. I Win+R, mspaint at least 10 times a day. I paste in screenshots and quickly cut out just a portion of them. Or leave the screenshot there for later review. Why don't they just remove the file browser? Or how about mouse support?

You might be interested in switching to Greenshot. The workflows that you described will go much quicker since it pops up a menu of quick actions to take after you press Print Scrn.

For screenshots that you want to review later, you just tell Greenshot to save directly to a file that it automatically names with a timestamp. To do quick edits, you can open your screenshot in the built-in editor. Or, you can open them in Paint.NET or any other editor.

Re: Microsoft Paint to be killed off after 32 years

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I don't see many Windows users hanging out in the CLI for extended periods of time, either. Even though OP wasn't serious about fedora nixing grep, surely you see the lack of equivalence in that argument.

When Windows users want to hang out in the CLI they virtualise Linux or use cmder[0]. [0] http://cmder.net/

I would argue that they used cygwin, and now they have the option of using WSL- which I have been using for the last two months, and thus far has met my CLI needs.

Re: Microsoft Paint to be killed off after 32 years

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Perhaps similar to Notepad, which has been more or less feature-complete since Windows 2000 or so. I guess it is also internally "deprecated", but will continue to be shipped for quite a while. Microsoft doesn't tend to break such things. In Paint's case, I'd guess the most that will happen is that it will vanish from the Start menu, but the executable will still be there.

"Find" in Notepad does not wrap around to the start of the document, and has no option to do so, so in order to search the whole document you have to put the cursor at the start. That's bone-headed behavior and should've been fixed a decade ago.

Hmmm... I had no idea. I think I've run into that bug many times without knowing. I would still rather they don't touch it than start adding features, because we know the first thing they'd add is the ribbon which has no business being on a text editor with 4 options.

Re: Microsoft Paint to be killed off after 32 years

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Preview.app fucking sucks. There are a handful of truly obnoxious sins that OS X commits, and not providing a graphics editing application with full access to the pixel raster is one of them. Other sins include no trivial click path to instantiating an empty file on the desktop. One must open an application and either issue a command ( touch or similar) or save an empty file with the application used (TextEdit.app fo…

What you describe as the "dumbing down" of the file system is the inherent consequence of multi-user operating systems, i.e. a bias towards the user's home folders; clearly done to help users better organise their documents. Meanwhile, power users are not even momentarily impeded, with key locations (such as the file system root) readily accessible from the Go menu. Or keyboard shortcuts. Or the terminal. Or from the…

Power users not being impeded is precisely my point, and you've made it for me. That these features are considered "advanced" and thus buried is my argument.

These kinds of features are not surfaced readily (existing many interactions deep, and not single gesture or action operations) or they are completely absent from the bundled operating system distribution, despite comprising essential utilities.

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