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Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Post by zabana »

komali2 wrote: post #80
mabbo wrote: post #19

If Google were actually serious about Net Neutrality, they would use their insane market power to protect it. How? Well, a simple statement saying "any ISP who abuses net neutrality will have their customers cut off from Google products". No Google search, no YouTube, no Gmail. Have those requests instead redirect to a website telling the customer what their ISP is doing, why Google won't work with them, and how to c…

I love this idea because I read too much cyberpunk. Why doesn't Twitter flex its muscle and cause a national crisis by tweeting "watch out China, nukes are coming" from Donald Trump's Twitter? That ruins trust in the platform, but what if they just banned the US president's account for TOS or something? Enormous amount of power. What if Musk's first ship to Mars had a hidden Railgun on it? "Anybody else that wants to…

> I love this idea because I read too much cyberpunk.

Can you recommend some novels ? (I'm also a cyberpunk nerd) Thanks in advance

Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Post by cwkoss »

acomjean wrote: post #81
mabbo wrote: post #19

If Google were actually serious about Net Neutrality, they would use their insane market power to protect it. How? Well, a simple statement saying "any ISP who abuses net neutrality will have their customers cut off from Google products". No Google search, no YouTube, no Gmail. Have those requests instead redirect to a website telling the customer what their ISP is doing, why Google won't work with them, and how to c…

I like it. If you've ever experienced the not too occasional fighting between cable companies and some of the networks they carry, it can get ugly. With both sides claiming they're in the right. Sometimes the channels even go off the air because the cable company won't pay what the networks want. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carriage_dispute The only problem is if say google pulls YouTube from comcast, its not like…

Would be better to not block, but show a 30 second video explaining why comcast sucks before each video.

If you're blocked, you'll only see the message once. If you have to watch a video before instead, you'll get angrier and angrier each time.

Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Post by jacquesm »

zabana wrote: post #191
komali2 wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I love this idea because I read too much cyberpunk. Why doesn't Twitter flex its muscle and cause a national crisis by tweeting "watch out China, nukes are coming" from Donald Trump's Twitter? That ruins trust in the platform, but what if they just banned the US president's account for TOS or something? Enormous amount of power. What if Musk's first ship to Mars had a hidden Railgun on it? "Anybody else that wants to…

> I love this idea because I read too much cyberpunk. Can you recommend some novels ? (I'm also a cyberpunk nerd) Thanks in advance

The Musk play is straight from Snowcrash where a 'nuclear sovereign power' (a dude on a motorcycle with a nuclear bomb in the sidecar passenger seat keyed to his heartbeat still going strong) runs roughshod over just about everything with impunity.

Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Post by TylerH »

Bakary wrote: post #167
komali2 wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I love this idea because I read too much cyberpunk. Why doesn't Twitter flex its muscle and cause a national crisis by tweeting "watch out China, nukes are coming" from Donald Trump's Twitter? That ruins trust in the platform, but what if they just banned the US president's account for TOS or something? Enormous amount of power. What if Musk's first ship to Mars had a hidden Railgun on it? "Anybody else that wants to…

Technically, the US President holds the power to end life on Earth should he so desire. To the best of my knowledge, there is no safeguard in place that could prevent such a course of action if it were attempted. Even Comcast's power seems rather pitiful in comparison.

Military personnel are obligated by US and international law to not comply with such an order. Generals have also gone on record when asked about the potential for such crazy orders, and said they would not follow such a command (like nuking Mecca, etc.)

Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Post by cookiecaper »

tyrrvk wrote: post #180

I see a lot of shills posting their anti-Network Neutrality stuff here, so I wanted to chime in reminding folks of a few things: Telco's were forced at one point to share phone lines. Remember all those DSL startups? Remember speakeasy? This was called local loop unbundling. What did the Telco's do? everything possible to break or interfere with these startup service provides. The telco's felt that it was "their line…

Your post is good and I upvoted, but I had to fight the instinct to downvote when you automatically assume those with the opposite POV are "shills", implying they are not sincere contributors. We need more people who are entertaining a moderated dialogue that acknowledge the value of the principles on both sides of the aisle, as your post does: a role for commerce and a role for reasonable regulation. However, calling the other sides "shills" in the first sentence makes many who may benefit immediately dismiss the comment.

I would suggest the best way to fix ISP competition is to make wireless ISPs faster/cheaper/better/more reliable. This obviates the "last mile" problem that makes competition in landline businesses so untenable.

Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Post by erwinkle »

mabbo wrote: post #19

If Google were actually serious about Net Neutrality, they would use their insane market power to protect it. How? Well, a simple statement saying "any ISP who abuses net neutrality will have their customers cut off from Google products". No Google search, no YouTube, no Gmail. Have those requests instead redirect to a website telling the customer what their ISP is doing, why Google won't work with them, and how to c…

Wouldn't ISPs just whitelist google? How would google even check without causing false positives?

Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Post by abtinf »

tyrrvk wrote: post #180

I see a lot of shills posting their anti-Network Neutrality stuff here, so I wanted to chime in reminding folks of a few things: Telco's were forced at one point to share phone lines. Remember all those DSL startups? Remember speakeasy? This was called local loop unbundling. What did the Telco's do? everything possible to break or interfere with these startup service provides. The telco's felt that it was "their line…

This is a complex issue with many possible approaches. Calling those who disagree with you "shills" is intellectually dishonest and wrong.

Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Post by erwinkle »

ucaetano wrote: post #151
mabbo wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> this proposal is antithetical to the concept of network neutrality Exactly the point I'm trying to make. If Google turns around and says "Fine, you don't like net neutrality? Let me show you how this works both ways". The ISPs do not make the product, they sell the access to the product. If the product goes away, then they aren't selling anything at all- and their customers will stop paying them.

You talk like customers actually have a choice in ISP...

Yep, most places I've lived, I've only ever had 1 option (unless I want to pay for satellite internet lol)
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