Live data from Hacker News

Apple adds a tracker blocker to desktop Safari

techcrunch.com

191–200 of 301 posts

Re: Apple adds a tracker blocker to desktop Safari

#191
post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IE isn't really a browser I use heavily personally. Has Microsoft carried the feature forward to Edge, or are they relying on extensions from the Store for that?

They discontinued it in Edge, unfortunately.

But you can install extensions like ghostery that so the same things in edge

Re: Apple adds a tracker blocker to desktop Safari

#192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If Apples solution is opt-in, Microsofts is in. For many things there just is no opting out.

How can you say that when Windows 10 had Cortana turned on by default? Siri is not enabled by default on a Mac (just like all the other services) and you have to purposely choose to have them turned on during install.

I'm pretty sure I was asked to opt in to Cortana during install. During the setup phase so it may be true of OEMs as well.

Re: Apple adds a tracker blocker to desktop Safari

#193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're right that it's opt-out with Microsoft and opt-in with Apple. However Microsoft's opt-out screen appears during setup before you ever even reach the desktop. Where as Apple's opt-in is a nag that occurs periodically as you use the device or anytime you install an update. I understand that Apple has publicly disclosed how they anonymize data and roll identifiers but Microsoft hasn't so you really can't say if t…

Apple's opt-in is only triggered when you attempt to use a feature that relies on a function of the opt-in or when a new OS feature utilizes those functions. It's not a nag. It doesn't ask you until you want to use it. Microsoft assumes you want to use it and hides the opt-out settings under an "Advanced" button during setup when it asks about new features and then promptly asks you again after it assumes that you do…

But that's basically spotlight so it's a difference with little meaning IMO.

Re: Apple adds a tracker blocker to desktop Safari

#194

Sounds like this is more in line with what they did with ApplePay vs traditional credit cards--I.e. They give you randomized IDs each time so the other party can't track you from transaction to transaction. Adds can still appear but they won't know who you are, so it's a direct shot at Google and others looking to give people "targeted" adds based on user behavior. I agree it's an issue that needs addressed. Just bec…

Apple Pay does offer enhanced privacy by not transmitting your name along with your card number, but it doesn't randomize the number with every transaction. In fact you may not want that as it would disrupt email receipt systems and loyalty programs (absent some parallel mechanism).

Apple Pay does something called tokenization, and the goal is more fraud protection than privacy. It generates one new number at card enrollment and uses that exclusively. By using a unique account number which can only be issued by Apple Pay devices, it means it doesn't matter if someone hacks the merchant and steals your number. They can't use it without the associated Apple Pay generated cryptogram, secured by your PIN / fingerprint.

Honestly the enhanced security of Apple Pay is underhyped. It's really great.

Re: Apple adds a tracker blocker to desktop Safari

#195
Looks like this will stop (after 24 hours) some companies from doing an initial redirection to set cookies for tracking purposes... Example:

1. Search Google for hockey sticks

2. Click on search result hockeystick.com

3. hockeystick.com issues a 302 to adcompany.com which then issues a 302 back to hockeystick.com

Why the 302? Because in Safari, you could only access cookies in a 3rd party context if you've seen a domain in a 1st party context. Setting a cookie in adcompany.com in a 1st party context gives you the ability to read that cookie in a 3rd party context which could be used for tracking purposes.

Re: Apple adds a tracker blocker to desktop Safari

#196
post #180

Thumbs up for Apple distinguishing themselves by their pro-privacy stance, as opposed to MS, who don't have anything to win by Win10's excessive "telemetry" IMHO.

It's also a real shame they're doing this before Mozilla. Mozilla already has Tracking Protection but only for Private Windows. It's like Mozilla can't even embrace its privacy stance fully.

I didn't realize it was only activated in private windows. Now that you've made me notice I consider this misleading, on the settings page it says nothing about being private windows only.

Re: Apple adds a tracker blocker to desktop Safari

#197

>“It’s not about blocking ads, the web behaves as it always did, but your privacy is protected,” he added. Does this mean browser fingerprint is somehow scrambled before it is sent to the tracker instead of blocking?

It looks like the same pattern as the way Apple scrambles Bluetooth MAC addresses and credit card numbers

Re: Apple adds a tracker blocker to desktop Safari

#198
post #19

Later they demoed they can track your interests in what you've read on the web to show you personalized news on their news app and keyboard autocompletion.

Which would be super creepy if they were a company which is beholden to advertisers for their revenue. But alas, they are not.

neither is MS but every thread about them seems to have a top comment crying about telemetry

Re: Apple adds a tracker blocker to desktop Safari

#200
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Does this mean browser fingerprint is somehow scrambled before it is sent to the tracker instead of blocking? It might be homogenized instead of scrambled. Every iOS device could be given (barring IP etc.) the same fingerprint.

I don't think that's even theoretically possible. How do you block JS font enumeration without crippling the browser font API?

Isn't this one of the stated features of the Tor browser?
Post reply on HN