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System76 is moving product design and manufacturing in house

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Re: System76 is moving product design and manufacturing in house

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I always wanted to take a system76 laptop, what stopped my so far is the price, they are a bit more expensive for similar hardware than other brands.

Do the extra money go to a better construction quality and material? Right now i'm using an asus and i'm a little depressed about the general durability. The one i was using before break after no more than 3.5 year, but i started having problem during the first year of use. I think i need something a little more "rugged".

My usual price tag is 500€, but i will pay more for a more robust laptop.

Re: System76 is moving product design and manufacturing in house

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A person who travels frequently doesnt need a *nix laptop.

It appears you're contradicting an ancestor's lived experience :) Is it really so ridiculous to suggest that sometimes, people who use Linux (let's call them technical) travel a lot? Is the idea of a programmer who flies around the world to present their work at conferences really so ridiculous? (There are lots of other archetypes, like consultants, SME owners that are still very technical themselves, et cetera.)

I'm an engineer that travels a lot for conferences and I use Linux almost exclusively... I'd love a svelte laptop with long battery life.

Re: System76 is moving product design and manufacturing in house

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This seems like an incredibly high bar/expectation to set for themselves, and while I'd love to see them succeed, I don't have a lot of confidence. The fact that they've decided to start out building desktops really solidifies that doubt. I just don't see a world where there is a demographic of people that both know about System76 and want to use a non-standard OS on a desktop computer, but also aren't familiar with building one themselves. In an enterprise environment, I don't see them making a huge dent either when many companies will already have deals with major enterprise manufacturers for desktop units, which are fairly easy to turn into GNU/Linux machines as is. It just seems like a sinkhole trying to pour effort into a form factor that has become incredibly unpopular over the past few years, and also (very publicly) setting the expectation that this effort will lead to the "the Model S of computers".

From a personal/consumer standpoint, all I want to see anymore is a competitor to the Macbook Pro, with a comparable track pad, display, keyboard, battery life and form factor. I'd love to move away from my MBP, but the closest competitor I've found is the XPS 13 and, while it's a great laptop, just doesn't hold a candle to the MBP in a few of those areas. I wish System76 luck and would love to see them prove me wrong. This press release, so early in the process, just seems like a lot of pressure for the company to live up to, especially based off of their past offerings.

Re: System76 is moving product design and manufacturing in house

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> cost almost nothing to have you're dead wrong here. it costs space, which is a precious resource in modern laptop builds. i just feel like companies and people hanging on to these archaic technologies is hindering progress and adoption of newer and better technologies. after all why do you need thunderbolt port if you already have the vga? why do you need better wireless chip if you can always plug in the cable? th…

BAM: https://www.notebookcheck.com/fileadmin/_processed_/csm_sony...

right, so how do i stick thunderbolt cable into that thing?

Re: System76 is moving product design and manufacturing in house

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Thinkpads are great but if I buy a Thinkpad T-series laptop I'm forced to buy Windows with it. Also it's not supported by the manufacturer. Thinkpads have great support from the Linux community but Lenovo doesn't officially guarantee its use (I would be happy to hear if I'm wrong on that).

You can buy Thinkpads also preloaded with free DOS. (Usually a lot cheaper)

You used to be able to, I don't think you can any longer.

Re: System76 is moving product design and manufacturing in house

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I always wanted to take a system76 laptop, what stopped my so far is the price, they are a bit more expensive for similar hardware than other brands. Do the extra money go to a better construction quality and material? Right now i'm using an asus and i'm a little depressed about the general durability. The one i was using before break after no more than 3.5 year, but i started having problem during the first year of…

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Re: System76 is moving product design and manufacturing in house

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The posts comparing various laptops to the Dell XPS 13 and calling them similarly sized are missing a key point: the XPS 13's lack of bezels. It is a 13" screen, but due to the lack of bezels, it basically fits in an 11" chassis. I think that's an often overlooked detail and one of the pieces of "sexiness" that makes it very difficult to want to switch away from an XPS 13: it's so damn portable. System76 needs to com…

MBP-quality trackpads and MBP-equivalent battery life. I can't understand why battery life isn't higher on the list of "must haves" for people who want a nice linux laptop.

I'd say these two aspects are equally split between software development and hardware design. Now I don't know how System76 fares on the software side, but are they really up to the challenge? I'll be watching closely, but am not expecting much.

Re: System76 is moving product design and manufacturing in house

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post #56

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Thinkpads are great but if I buy a Thinkpad T-series laptop I'm forced to buy Windows with it. Also it's not supported by the manufacturer. Thinkpads have great support from the Linux community but Lenovo doesn't officially guarantee its use (I would be happy to hear if I'm wrong on that).

You can buy Thinkpads also preloaded with free DOS. (Usually a lot cheaper)

How? Hasn't been an option on the last 2 thinkpads I bought. Just went and tried to customize a T470 and nope, still have to get Windows.

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> A well designed linux laptop, with no driver issues, good build quality, that doesn't sacrifice performance for thinness? That's what I'm missing. It exists, it's the Thinkpad T-series. I don't get all this hand-wringing over the need for hypothetical great Linux machines when we have Thinkpads available right now.

T450 owner here, running Ubuntu 16.04 LTS Desktop. My machine hangs when I unplug it from the Thinkpad dock. X rendering glitches are an hourly occurrence and X crashes weekly. In laptop mode, the trackpad handling is not up to snuff either. (I guess if I wanted all those features, I could just install Windows.)

Re: the X issues... dump the Intel X driver for the modesetting driver (you will want a recent kernel for this). Made a world of difference on my Intel laptop.

Re: System76 is moving product design and manufacturing in house

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post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A person who travels frequently doesnt need a *nix laptop.

It appears you're contradicting an ancestor's lived experience :) Is it really so ridiculous to suggest that sometimes, people who use Linux (let's call them technical) travel a lot? Is the idea of a programmer who flies around the world to present their work at conferences really so ridiculous? (There are lots of other archetypes, like consultants, SME owners that are still very technical themselves, et cetera.)

Funny story: I was on a long-haul flight. The person next to me noticed all 3 of us were using linux and we had a laugh :)
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