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Mexican Newspaper Shuts Down, Saying It Is Too Dangerous to Continue

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Re: Mexican Newspaper Shuts Down, Saying It Is Too Dangerous to Continue

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Post by douche »

rtpg wrote: post #161
ralfd wrote: post #130

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As a European that sounds terrible! That it is not as bad as a lawless warzone in a failed African state isn't much consolation??

I remember reading some anecdote from an Iraqi at the peak of the war. They talked about how most of the time you're totally safe, but every once in a while a bomb will go off and a bunch of people will die. There's a spectrum of danger that a lot of us have had the privilege to not experience. I could imagine getting mugged in some places in Europe, but not really imagine dying in the "mugging gone wrong => someone…

Eh, if you're not black and also not acting in a threatening or irrational manner, in the US, you're pretty safe.

Now, if you're either of those, much less both...

Re: Mexican Newspaper Shuts Down, Saying It Is Too Dangerous to Continue

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Post by douche »

yincrash wrote: post #179
Cyph0n wrote: post #173

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If you want to see truly safe cities, even by EU standards, check out Hong Kong, Singapore, Dubai, or Doha.

With the exception of Hong Kong, aren't these all pretty authoritarian states?

Unfortunately England sold out Hong Kong

Re: Mexican Newspaper Shuts Down, Saying It Is Too Dangerous to Continue

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Post by cookiecaper »

duncan_bayne wrote: post #54
mschuster91 wrote: post #25

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I generally agree with this point of view, but a look into history (you don't even have to go back to Hitler or Stalin - the last 10 years should be enough!) proves that "free speech without limits" as done in the US is a path to disaster. For what its worth, there are not small groups of people running around with Hakenkreuz flags and SS uniforms in the US. A dishonor to all the victims of the Third Reich. Please do…

You seem fairly free with your criticism of American free speech, considering _they_ didn't birth Mussolini, Hitler or Stalin.

Yeah, it's definitely sad and ironic to see people citing dictators, whose first actions are to consolidate the press into a state-controlled outlet and then to swiftly and ruthlessly crush all political opposition, as reasons to place more limitations on what people are allowed to say/think. Are these guys even listening to themselves?

Our values and principles in favor of free speech have been a protection for us. It's crucial to understand this, because as we see in this thread, there are groups that are working hard to criminalize speech that they dislike.

Sadly, this is seeing some success. Americans are forgetting who they are and where they've come from. For me, the question is not whether whether the U.S. will continue to succeed into the centuries ahead, but rather if the U.S., as presently constituted, will hold together long enough to be taken over by a despot or if it will just disintegrate into regional warfare first.

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Post by mattnewton »

2_listerine_pls wrote: post #146
jfim wrote: post #117

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> I could go on, but this is enough to make one wonder why they aren't being stopped. Except for that pesky sovereignty thing.

Is that the same sovereignty that stopped the US from from drilling their oil after overthrowing their government? It's odd reason given that narcotics are/were supposedly one of the principal sources of the Taliban’s financing.

We all moved on after finding out there were no weapons of mass destruction without even an "oops" from the public, so I wouldn't hold your breath on anyone launching a successful campaign there- still, if that's true, I would really like to see someone make a documentary or some articles about it in a format the masses will see. Could be really compelling to people not typically reached by advocates of drug reform.

Re: Mexican Newspaper Shuts Down, Saying It Is Too Dangerous to Continue

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Post by scott_karana »

jtmcmc wrote: post #97
gph wrote: post #56

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>may things improve for you, though I really have no idea how that will happen. I think a good first step would be changing attitudes towards drug use. We should treat users as patients instead of criminals. And waging a 'war' against dealers and smugglers has only made them more violent and dangerous, while driving up prices and making those who survive even wealthier. There needs to be smarter policies.

legalizing drugs would cause the collapse of the cartels and help to end this violence.

It would likely end violence, but why can't these highly-organized, powerful cartels simply pivot into dealing wholesale, once legal?

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Post by 3131s »

kbenson wrote: post #82
brilliantcode wrote: post #71

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> “You want to know what this was really all about?” he asked with the bluntness of a man who, after public disgrace and a stretch in federal prison, had little left to protect. “The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I’m saying? We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting t…

I've heard that quote before, but I don't really know its pedigree. Do you have a reference? (I also imagine the lack of sourcing is why you got downvoted).

The Nixon aide who allegedly said that quote died before it was published, so there is some reason to be uncertain about its veracity. It wasn't published until long, long after it was apparently said.

I find it completely plausible and it's very much in line with my political leanings to believe it, but still.

Re: Mexican Newspaper Shuts Down, Saying It Is Too Dangerous to Continue

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Post by anoonmoose »

tedunangst wrote: post #166
kbenson wrote: post #140

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> This comment contains instructions on how to find the desired source of my original comment which was actually published and publicized in printed media. Then why is it so hard to include it yourself? It's poor form to make statements from sources and omit those sources. Unless you typed that from memory, you had one of those sources handy when you made the comment, so you could have included it easily, rather than…

I've always been kind of curious how the people who fill threads with quotes work. Do they have macro hot keys? A spreadsheet of quotes? (In some cases, the first google result for a quote is a page explaining that the quote is fake, so either they have some system that avoids google or they just ignore results they don't like.)

I think it's more of a birthday paradox type of deal...you get enough people in a thread, it becomes increasingly likely that at least one knows of a long-ass quote that is relevant to the situation.

Re: Mexican Newspaper Shuts Down, Saying It Is Too Dangerous to Continue

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Post by 3131s »

brooklynmarket wrote: post #128

Can someone explain to me, what would happen if Mexico tomorrow, all drugs were legal like Portugal? Could it get any worse. Portugal seems to doing just fine.

Just to clarify, drugs are not legal in Portugal. There is decriminalization on small amounts, but not full legalization. However, Portugal's experiment is a resounding success and I'd expect even greater benefits from legalization (e.g. tax money derived from the industry around recreational drugs).

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Post by [deleted] »

foldr wrote: post #93
metaphorm wrote: post #88

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a few times, when I was in high school, a bully yelled at me right in my face and said "you fuckin faggot I'll kill you". I'm not gay, and he wasn't really threatening to kill me.

I’d check the linked articles if I were you. Some of the women were subjected to very coordinated and determined harassment campaigns over a long period. In many cases these campaigns appeared to be coordinated by members of far right groups who are known to use violence. Comparing that situation to your being bullied at school is almost as silly and offensive as the OP’s original comparison. By all means point out t…

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