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Enroute Airbus A380 wake flips Challenger business jet upside down

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Re: Enroute Airbus A380 wake flips Challenger business jet upside down

#191
post #44

This is a reminder that the announcement that you should "keep your seat belt fastened at all times when you're in your seat" isn't just something someone made up. It's a small price to pay in case you ever encounter severe turbulence en route, but it might be one of these things that most people don't realize until it happens to them. Hitting your head against the cabin ceiling can seriously put a damper on your tri…

Can we talk about this in terms of actual statistics? How dangerous is flying without a seatbelt relative to say, driving without one?

Re: Enroute Airbus A380 wake flips Challenger business jet upside down

#192
post #93

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> They saw the plane, and 1-2 minutes later... bang. We already went over this. We did, that's why it made zero sense that you said this was predicated on not being aware of the positions of other planes. They were aware of this a full 1-2 minutes earlier at least. They could've turned on the sign. The solution was totally implementable.

I think we've reached that point at which I'd be happy to buckle my seatbelt and let you walk around the cabin to your heart's content. I am not your parent.

When I sit in the same cabin, and I'm buckled up, the previous poster (or his body parts) will be bouncing all over the seats of the same cabin, which is a danger to me. So I still prefer that he also buckles up.

Re: Enroute Airbus A380 wake flips Challenger business jet upside down

#193
post #44

This is a reminder that the announcement that you should "keep your seat belt fastened at all times when you're in your seat" isn't just something someone made up. It's a small price to pay in case you ever encounter severe turbulence en route, but it might be one of these things that most people don't realize until it happens to them. Hitting your head against the cabin ceiling can seriously put a damper on your tri…

Can we talk about this in terms of actual statistics? How dangerous is flying without a seatbelt relative to say, driving without one?

i don't think you can even compare those, driving without a seatbelt is a ridiculously unsafe idea.

Re: Enroute Airbus A380 wake flips Challenger business jet upside down

#194
post #62
post #44

This is a reminder that the announcement that you should "keep your seat belt fastened at all times when you're in your seat" isn't just something someone made up. It's a small price to pay in case you ever encounter severe turbulence en route, but it might be one of these things that most people don't realize until it happens to them. Hitting your head against the cabin ceiling can seriously put a damper on your tri…

True.I would think this would be more of a problem for people from US states where wearing a seatbelt is not mandatory. In other parts of the world (with more sense) such as Europe, Australia, we're conditioned to always using it due to strict enforcement and as such it's not such a novelty.

The only such US state is New Hampshire. (Because of course it is.)

Re: Enroute Airbus A380 wake flips Challenger business jet upside down

#195

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And as I have mentioned elsewhere on here - I have flown inverted a few times, and to do so take a tremendous amount of forward pressure on the control stick to even try and attempt to hold altitude while inverted, in order to counteract the wings natural (slight) positive AoA and the tendency for the wing to move towards it upper surface. In fact, most of the aircraft I have flown would not be able to sustain invert…

> I'd be interested to see in this thread, who here has actually studied aeronautical engineering I studied Aerospace Engineering (PhD in Aerodynamics), and I stay out of internet conversations over "how" lift is generated. For me it is one of those topics that is just not worth debating. It seems that people get _really_ attached to their personally preferred theory of lift.

Agreed. That is what I have noticed in this thread. Who knew aerodynamics could be as polarising as politics or religion? :P

I've contributed all that I wanted to say here, and am happy to bow out now and let the conversation take its course.

Re: Enroute Airbus A380 wake flips Challenger business jet upside down

#196

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That happens to be the justification that my country uses to make bicycle helmets mandatory (though there's significant debate about whether it's actually helped reduce injury rates, and it fairly clearly depresses overall rates of cycling versus other modes of transport). I think the cost of wearing an aircraft seatbelt while you happen to be seated is rather lower than the cost of having to wear a bicycle helmet, t…

What's the cost? Helmets aren't that expensive. Having to carry it around? Could always lock it to the bike. Helmet hair?

People being afraid their bike helmets make them look like goobers, maybe?

Well, they do. Better to be a goober with an unfractured skull, though.

Re: Enroute Airbus A380 wake flips Challenger business jet upside down

#197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And as I have mentioned elsewhere on here - I have flown inverted a few times, and to do so take a tremendous amount of forward pressure on the control stick to even try and attempt to hold altitude while inverted, in order to counteract the wings natural (slight) positive AoA and the tendency for the wing to move towards it upper surface. In fact, most of the aircraft I have flown would not be able to sustain invert…

> I'd be interested to see in this thread, who here has actually studied aeronautical engineering I studied Aerospace Engineering (PhD in Aerodynamics), and I stay out of internet conversations over "how" lift is generated. For me it is one of those topics that is just not worth debating. It seems that people get _really_ attached to their personally preferred theory of lift.

Flight is a complex system, there are multiple variables effecting it. And yet half the responses here are regurgitated from grade school without references.

http://www.afahc.ro/ro/afases/2014/forte/prisacariu.pdf

Re: Enroute Airbus A380 wake flips Challenger business jet upside down

#198

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Every once in a while I have to re-realize how amazing this phenomenon is. The only thing in nature that flies are birds which weigh a few ounces. Nothing human-scale flies. Cars don't fly. Yet, the flying machines we decide to build weigh a million pounds and fly simply by going fast until the air lifts them up . That is some ludicrous black magic.

A lightweight paragliding set can be as light as 3 kg these days, and experienced pilots can travel 200+ kilometers regularly with a tiny bit heavier set (say 8 kg).

Paragliding requires ascending currents to maintain or gain altitude, IOW you're always going downwards relative to the surrounding air mass. Birds don't (although they obviously do know how to use it for the cheap).

I think maybe the GP is more amazed about the (self-) generated lift and assorted scale. Seems like humans have a thing for hurling self-propelled heavy metal boxes at ridiculous speeds, whether on ground, in the air, or in a vacuum.

Re: Enroute Airbus A380 wake flips Challenger business jet upside down

#199
post #73

This is quite interesting. I've been living underneath a flight plan for the last few years, and every now and then I've noticed a strange noise that seems to come from the air a few seconds after a plane has passed overhead on approach. The best way I can describe it is as a tearing noise, somewhat like a long stretched version of a tear in paper, or fabric. I've long suspected that it may be due to turbulence, and…

That's likely the sound of jetwash striking (nearly) stationary air as it exits the engine.

I'm familiar with the roar of jets taking off. Some years back I happened to be biking past an airport, at the end of the runway, just as a passenger jet was lining up for takeoff, headed away from me. I thought I'd pause to watch.

Only as the engines spooled up did I think, "hrm, this could get loud".

It didn't.

Instead, what I heard was ... the engines spooling up. Loud, yes, but not a roar, just an increasing pitch, until the airplane started accelerating down the runway.

It wasn't until some 15-20 seconds later that I heard the familiar roar, echoing off of hills five or so miles away. That's when I realised that the whine was the sound of the turbines, but the roar was the sound of exhaust gas, streaming out of the engines, hitting stationary air and generating intense turbulence, and radiating outward in a perpendicular line to that jetwash. So I didn't hear it directly (it was moving away from me), only the reflection (as that wall of noise, now reflected off the hills, was directed back toward me.

I doubt the vortex would make any particularly loud sound, though you might hear the rushing of air. Speeds are in the tens of miles per hour rather than hundreds as with jetwash.

Re: Enroute Airbus A380 wake flips Challenger business jet upside down

#200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That happens to be the justification that my country uses to make bicycle helmets mandatory (though there's significant debate about whether it's actually helped reduce injury rates, and it fairly clearly depresses overall rates of cycling versus other modes of transport). I think the cost of wearing an aircraft seatbelt while you happen to be seated is rather lower than the cost of having to wear a bicycle helmet, t…

What's the cost? Helmets aren't that expensive. Having to carry it around? Could always lock it to the bike. Helmet hair?

I always thought the statistic that mandatory helmets reduced cycling was a bit pathetic myself. It really isn't that hard. Yes, I have come off my bike and hit my head, while wearing a helmet. Unfortunately, I landed on a tooth rather than my helmet, which wasn't a lot of fun.

Regarding helmet hair, I had a colleague who had the most amazing hair spikes (think coffee cup sized), who would very carefully put a cycle helmet on every day before cycling home.

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