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Re: Mark Zuckerberg's manifesto for Facebook offers a social dystopia

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Post by appleflaxen » Sat, Feb 18, 2017, 3:19 PM UTC

CodingGuy wrote: post #9

sveme wrote: post #5

Have we reached peak Facebook yet? I started using Facebook quite early in my country and used it mostly as a social network, communicating and exchanging stuff with friends from all over the world. A couple years later I deleted my account, being disgusted by the potential abusive potential of all the information Facebook had. I came back years later as it became THE tool for ad hoc social initiatives and a way to f…

If Google Trends is somewhat right, we've definitely reached peak Facebook: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=Facebook

This might be the phenomenon by which ubiquitous things become part of the setting rather than the focus/subject.

I've seen the point made with the railroad, and with the internet.

If you look at other tech terms, they are all "declining":

https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=mobile,c...

Re: Mark Zuckerberg's manifesto for Facebook offers a social dystopia

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Post by prodmerc » Sat, Feb 18, 2017, 3:23 PM UTC

Waterluvian wrote: post #149

nostrademons wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[facebook] was the most common search query when I was at Google (roughly the period covered by this graph), and [facebook login] would alternate between #2 and #3. Neither of your options seem likely at all to me - over the time I was there, I witnessed people becoming more likely to navigate to sites via Googling them rather than clicking, not less. The trend is even more pronounced with mobile, where basically nob…

Do people really voice search for things like that? Aside from drivers going hands-free, I have never seen a colleague or friend use voice commands where it wasn't just for the novelty.

Yes, I like voice search.

I still won't use "OK Google", because it's the new Bluetooth headset, only douchebags use it in public. Come on Google, how much do you lose by allowing custom phrases?

Re: Mark Zuckerberg's manifesto for Facebook offers a social dystopia

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Post by jgalt212 » Sat, Feb 18, 2017, 3:31 PM UTC

CodingGuy wrote: post #9

sveme wrote: post #5

Have we reached peak Facebook yet? I started using Facebook quite early in my country and used it mostly as a social network, communicating and exchanging stuff with friends from all over the world. A couple years later I deleted my account, being disgusted by the potential abusive potential of all the information Facebook had. I came back years later as it became THE tool for ad hoc social initiatives and a way to f…

If Google Trends is somewhat right, we've definitely reached peak Facebook: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=Facebook

so funny, May 2012 = 100, now = 37. yet over that time frame FB claims to have doubled their monthly active user numbers. something does not add up.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/264810/number-of-monthly...

Re: Mark Zuckerberg's manifesto for Facebook offers a social dystopia

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Post by chongli » Sat, Feb 18, 2017, 3:40 PM UTC

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #118

brilliantcode wrote: post #104

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This shows the underlying utility of Facebook compared to other tech giants distilled in to a really generic scenario. - You go to Google to research what to buy. - You go to Amazon to give Amazon your hard earned money. - You go to Facebook to brag what you bought. Yet the market cap of Facebook rivals those two with far less revenue and highest multiplier. This cannot last.

In theory the reason for this is that Facebook is "stickier" than Google or Amazon. If Google search isn't working for you, you can switch to something else in a heartbeat. If Facebook isn't working for you, you have to get all your friends to switch to something else before you can. The problem is this is also going to be Facebook's downfall at some indeterminate future date. Because if some other social network eve…

if some other social network ever becomes more popular

This is why Facebook buys out anything new that looks like it might threaten Facebook's dominance.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg's manifesto for Facebook offers a social dystopia

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Post by Neliquat » Sat, Feb 18, 2017, 3:51 PM UTC

You made a throwaway to post a huge defense of facebook? Color me skeptical.

Edit: Correction, you are a sockpuppet, as you admit to in your 1st post, pointing out its primary use to manipulate discussion. Go away troll.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg's manifesto for Facebook offers a social dystopia

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Post by Bombthecat » Sat, Feb 18, 2017, 5:08 PM UTC

thehardsphere wrote: post #189

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #118

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In theory the reason for this is that Facebook is "stickier" than Google or Amazon. If Google search isn't working for you, you can switch to something else in a heartbeat. If Facebook isn't working for you, you have to get all your friends to switch to something else before you can. The problem is this is also going to be Facebook's downfall at some indeterminate future date. Because if some other social network eve…

There's precedent for this: MySpace.

It wasn't a social network though.

In Germany only bands add musicians used it.

No social pressure to stay at MySpace.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg's manifesto for Facebook offers a social dystopia

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Post by maverick_iceman » Sat, Feb 18, 2017, 5:36 PM UTC

Waterluvian wrote: post #149

nostrademons wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[facebook] was the most common search query when I was at Google (roughly the period covered by this graph), and [facebook login] would alternate between #2 and #3. Neither of your options seem likely at all to me - over the time I was there, I witnessed people becoming more likely to navigate to sites via Googling them rather than clicking, not less. The trend is even more pronounced with mobile, where basically nob…

Do people really voice search for things like that? Aside from drivers going hands-free, I have never seen a colleague or friend use voice commands where it wasn't just for the novelty.

I use voice search all the time, even in a desktop. It's much faster than typing.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg's manifesto for Facebook offers a social dystopia

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Post by maverick_iceman » Sat, Feb 18, 2017, 5:41 PM UTC

Waterluvian wrote: post #149

nostrademons wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[facebook] was the most common search query when I was at Google (roughly the period covered by this graph), and [facebook login] would alternate between #2 and #3. Neither of your options seem likely at all to me - over the time I was there, I witnessed people becoming more likely to navigate to sites via Googling them rather than clicking, not less. The trend is even more pronounced with mobile, where basically nob…

Do people really voice search for things like that? Aside from drivers going hands-free, I have never seen a colleague or friend use voice commands where it wasn't just for the novelty.

Also consider that people are less likely to use voice search if they are around others. So that might explain why you haven't seen friends/colleagues do it.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg's manifesto for Facebook offers a social dystopia

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Post by rhizome » Sat, Feb 18, 2017, 5:41 PM UTC

gaius wrote: post #188

rhizome wrote: post #90

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It was an incremental improvement in a fledgling social network industry And even then, it was only because Friendster was crippled by scaling problems and MySpace was snowed under with self-promotion that Facebook even had a path out of the university populations to which they initially restricted themselves.

I think one thing that FB got right was disallowing any customisation of your own profile. That made MySpace completely unusable.

Very good point. MySpace had zero consistency of experience.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg's manifesto for Facebook offers a social dystopia

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Post by alehul » Sat, Feb 18, 2017, 5:56 PM UTC

nostrademons wrote: post #66

alehul wrote: post #14

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This is likely more indicative of society: A. Becoming more computer-literate and going straight to sites as opposed to always Googling it before clicking, even once familiar with the URL, which won't correlate to usage B. Visiting the site enough for AutoFill to take effect, which is ever-so-slightly inverse in correlation in terms of search popularity to site popularity Here's a FB-related search term people will s…

[facebook] was the most common search query when I was at Google (roughly the period covered by this graph), and [facebook login] would alternate between #2 and #3. Neither of your options seem likely at all to me - over the time I was there, I witnessed people becoming more likely to navigate to sites via Googling them rather than clicking, not less. The trend is even more pronounced with mobile, where basically nob…

With the native iOS app being released in 2012, the timeline would be perfect for that, yeah.

Does the mobile app take away that much usage from the web? I can see how it'll increase overall usage as people will use FB when they otherwise couldn't, but I imagine anyone who could be using it on a computer will still use the web version over a mobile app (web seems more functional, especially so with the recent Facebook/Messenger division).