Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

I’ll never bring my phone on an international flight again

medium.freecodecamp.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

191–200 of 209 posts

Re: I’ll never bring my phone on an international flight again

#191

Post by jazoom »

oAlbe wrote: post #190
jazoom wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe, but I don't know when I might need it in the future, and when the time comes it's already too late. That is why I'm interested in this topic now. That is also why I'm not dismissing the idea because of some possible charges that might be laid against me by some possible border control person some time in the future. I have nothing to hide personally. I'm more concerned about business secrets and SSH keys.

> I have nothing to hide personally. You do. And even if you don't, you should hide it anyway. Please stop using that sentence at all. “Never say anything in an electronic message that you wouldn’t want appearing, and attributed to you, in tomorrow morning’s front-page headline in the New York Times.” — Colonel David Russell, former head of DARPA’s Information Processing Techniques Office

You probably shouldn't assume you know people you've never met.

Besides, I don't think my data is any more likely to end up in some newspaper if a government agent gets it than if (when) Google gets hacked.

Re: I’ll never bring my phone on an international flight again

#192

Post by jschwartzi »

psybin wrote: post #6
trome wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I recommend having a few $5 Androids on ya, they are both fun to play with, handy, and will throw inquisitive 3 letter agencies for a loop.

"Is this the phone you use on a day to day basis"- felony if you lie.

"Where is the USB port? I need to plug something in."

"Oh, that broke off years ago. I just charge batteries in a separate charger now."

Re: I’ll never bring my phone on an international flight again

#194

Post by tmaly »

chillingeffect wrote: post #150
chadgeidel wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow, I thought that only extended OUTSIDE the border, not INSIDE as well!

and worse, it technically includes all ports. which could basically mean radii around every international airport. when i first learned about this, I scared my lawyer girlfriend about it and she helped me look into the actual court cases. they have been somewhat difficult to hold up. usually because LO abuses the rules by not following the three terms listed above. and it still takes getting all the way to Supreme Co…

I think the power grab in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marbury_v._Madison did not really benefit the people or the states.

Getting a case before the court takes tons of time and money.

If issues of abuse of power could be resolved by the states, people could see justice faster.

Re: I’ll never bring my phone on an international flight again

#195

Post by hysan »

If your rights are suspended at the border, then whose rule of law does apply? Clearly not the US, then would it be the neighboring country like Canada? Or is it some sort of no mans land? With more and more of these stories bringing up the lack of 4th and 5th Amendment rights, I'm becoming curious as to what can legally happen at the border. How would common crimes be handled in this area?

Re: I’ll never bring my phone on an international flight again

#196

Post by maxxxxx »

hrehhf wrote: post #179
abeyer wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Though be aware that this won't backup everything. (at least on a non-rooted device) Notably, if you use google authenticator for 2FA, it won't backup and you'll restore a device that will no longer work as your second factor.

Thanks, that is good to know. I wish there was something as easy as the iTunes backup for iPhones. There are Android apps that claim to do a more thorough job but I haven't tried them.

Titanium backup for a rooted device works great. If you have access to recovery you can also do a Nandroid backup which gives you 100% restore capability.

For non rooted this seems very tricky, that's why I asked. Most likely you will spend hours getting your phone to work again.

Re: I’ll never bring my phone on an international flight again

#197

Post by khedoros1 »

jazoom wrote: post #191
oAlbe wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I have nothing to hide personally. You do. And even if you don't, you should hide it anyway. Please stop using that sentence at all. “Never say anything in an electronic message that you wouldn’t want appearing, and attributed to you, in tomorrow morning’s front-page headline in the New York Times.” — Colonel David Russell, former head of DARPA’s Information Processing Techniques Office

You probably shouldn't assume you know people you've never met. Besides, I don't think my data is any more likely to end up in some newspaper if a government agent gets it than if (when) Google gets hacked.

> You probably shouldn't assume you know people you've never met.

Good advice, in general. I've never met anyone that didn't have something to hide from someone, though. But you're making an even stronger claim: That nothing that you've said or done will ever be something that you'd want to keep private. When data gets out, you don't get to call it back, even when circumstances in the world change.

Re: I’ll never bring my phone on an international flight again

#198

Post by jazoom »

khedoros1 wrote: post #197
jazoom wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You probably shouldn't assume you know people you've never met. Besides, I don't think my data is any more likely to end up in some newspaper if a government agent gets it than if (when) Google gets hacked.

> You probably shouldn't assume you know people you've never met. Good advice, in general. I've never met anyone that didn't have something to hide from someone , though. But you're making an even stronger claim: That nothing that you've said or done will ever be something that you'd want to keep private. When data gets out, you don't get to call it back, even when circumstances in the world change.

I'm well aware of that. There's nothing on my phone I'd be ashamed to have exposed. Like I said, SSH keys are a concern.

In fact, your country's president probably wouldn't care too much if the stuff on his phone was exposed. He seems to be more than happy to make public all his thoughts and opinions.

Re: I’ll never bring my phone on an international flight again

#199

Post by jerf »

jazoom wrote: post #198
khedoros1 wrote: post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You probably shouldn't assume you know people you've never met. Good advice, in general. I've never met anyone that didn't have something to hide from someone , though. But you're making an even stronger claim: That nothing that you've said or done will ever be something that you'd want to keep private. When data gets out, you don't get to call it back, even when circumstances in the world change.

I'm well aware of that. There's nothing on my phone I'd be ashamed to have exposed. Like I said, SSH keys are a concern. In fact, your country's president probably wouldn't care too much if the stuff on his phone was exposed. He seems to be more than happy to make public all his thoughts and opinions.

"There's nothing on my phone I'd be ashamed to have exposed."

That's the wrong question, though. (Despite the quote above.) The question is, do you have anything on your phone that someday a government may decide is a reason to do something bad to you?

The answer is always yes for two reasons: One, you can't know the future and what it will hold, for instance governments can make laws explicitly for the purpose of "getting" people, and two, the possible set of future governments pretty much has no safe behavior intersection.

Re: I’ll never bring my phone on an international flight again

#200

Post by chadgeidel »

dudul wrote: post #139
chadgeidel wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow, I thought that only extended OUTSIDE the border, not INSIDE as well!

What? That doesn't make any sense. Constitutional rights don't apply anywhere outside the border as far as I know. In this context, the area can only extend inside. Or do I misunderstand your comment?

I always knew that the US considered a 100 mile radius outside of our borders (specifically marine regions) as part of our borders and that it's basically de-facto "US territory". This is only a dim memory from reading about various stories from the "drug war."
Post reply on HN