Norway to become first country to switch off FM radio

Post by ferongr » Fri, Jan 06, 2017, 4:03 PM UTC

richmarr wrote: post #156

kagamine wrote: post #115

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Sort of just what I said. I did state "reportedly" and not provide any sources. I don't think I was being unfair to the EV market. However, buying a new car and junking the old one has to be less energy efficient than owning an old car and trying to use it less while utilizing public transport. Public transport is something I could have mentioned in my original post as it is not prioritized enough here in Norway and…

> ...even though a diesel engine run on veg oil is emissions free. This just isn't true. Local emissions of bio-diesel are comparable to petro-diesel. When you factor in that C02 is absorbed during manufacture, biodiesel is estimated to have 45%-65% lower net emissions than petro-diesel, but that ignores the fact that you just repurposed viable farmland (or in some cases rainforest) and changed its C02 profile, poten…

Post by cr0sh » Fri, Jan 06, 2017, 4:10 PM UTC

kagamine wrote: post #158

jasonlingx wrote: post #150

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> even though a diesel engine run on veg oil is emissions free Nonsense.

Well thanks for the well-reasoned and neatly laid out rebuffal, it's what I come to HN for. Perhaps "free from harmful emissions" would be better, I'm not in that field of expertise so I can't say, but if you take issue with plant based fuel over fossil fuels then I would like to hear that rational: preferably in a one word answer sans context. /bitchy

Post by aluhut » Fri, Jan 06, 2017, 4:11 PM UTC

geff82 wrote: post #176

OK, so you switch off a completely fine technology with billions invested, rendering useless multi-millions of fine working radios. For what? I think this will be the death blow to radio. People will not go DAB if not absolutely needed, they will essentially try to go "internet" directly and thereby eliminating classic "radio". Maybe you'll use the DAB in your car sometimes, but I can't imagine it will happen that yo…

Post by scholia » Fri, Jan 06, 2017, 4:16 PM UTC

TheGirondin wrote: post #154

audunw wrote: post #80

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> Otherwise stopping FM isn't much use. I think the main motivation to shut down FM is that now that DAB is built-out sufficiently (or so they say), running both at the same time is expensive. FM transmitters are supposedly quite power hungry and expensive to operate. It will take at least a decade or two to free up the FM band for other uses anyway. Norway will probably wait and use it in a way that aligns with the…

>It will take at least a decade or two to free up the FM band for other uses anyway. Norway will probably wait and use it in a way that aligns with the rest of the world, rather than finding its own local use for the spectrum. And that's the difference between an entrepreneurial, capitalist minded society and a socialist minded one.

Post by digi_owl » Fri, Jan 06, 2017, 4:24 PM UTC

vidarh wrote: post #186

digi_owl wrote: post #175

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The infra used to be state operated, under a cooperation between NRK and Televerket (that in the 90s was turned into Telenor). In recent years NRK has transferred ownership of this to Telenor, and instead rents capacity from them. So effectively it is privately owned and operated, under a "natural" monopoly.

With the caveat that Telenor is 54% owned by the Norwegian government (as of September 2016) [1], with a further 5% owned by Folketrygdfondet (government run social security fund), and a further 0.8% by DNB Asset Management, a subsidiary of the bank DNB ASA, which is again 34% owned by the Norwegian Ministry of Trade and Industry... [1] https://www.telenor.com/investors/share-information/major-sh...