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Re: Nvidia adds telemetry to latest drivers

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Post by dogma1138 »

dogma1138 wrote: post #164
stirner wrote: post #156

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> Also there is no problem with switchable GPU's which is specific to nVIDIA anymore the Optimus chip is no longer used Do you have a source for this? In any case, just because some hardware has been recently phased out doesn't mean the manufacturer shouldn't be expected to support it. Not everyone has enough money to buy a new computer every year; I'm a student with an Optimus laptop and I know I won't be able to af…

>If NVIDIA can't be asked to fully support their hardware on Linux, the least they can do is release some documentation so the Nouveau devs don't need to grope in the dark. I don't disagree in principle, but they've killed it, releasing information to make it work might be a problem for them, and since this thing is no longer supported adding compatibility for older devices isn't a high priority for them. It worked p…

EDIT: Since it's been too long bbswitch = Bumblebee (which NVIDIA actually helps also) the open source implementation of prime, both of which also support the older Optimus laptops but ymmv with BB.

Also it looks like PRIME supports synchronization now if you have a distro with DRM support (no not the bad kind ;) https://devtalk.nvidia.com/default/topic/957814/prime-and-pr... so if you are using their currently suggested setup you don't need to switch manually anymore.

Re: Nvidia adds telemetry to latest drivers

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Post by imtringued »

hobarrera wrote: post #90

What's "GeForce Experience", "Wireless Controller" and "ShadowPlay services"? Do recent drivers always include the latter? How do I check for them? Are they kernel modules? In my case, all the nvidia drivers I see loaded are: $ lsmod | grep nv nvidia_drm 20480 1 drm 294912 3 nvidia_drm nvidia_uvm 704512 0 nvidia_modeset 770048 3 nvidia_drm nvidia 11866112 42 nvidia_modeset,nvidia_uvm

GeForce Experience is a seperate application that automatically updates the drivers for you. ShadowPlay is their hardware accelerated video capture software. They are optional.

Re: Nvidia adds telemetry to latest drivers

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Post by dogma1138 »

nitrogen wrote: post #173
dogma1138 wrote: post #146

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It's not about missing the privacy discussion it's about the public at large not giving a flying duck about it, regardless of what you think. Pick a random person on the street and ask them, you need to understand that by enlarge simply by knowing about this site you are already part of a tiny subculture of of the general population, and most likely living in a walled garden as far as your social connections goes. Pe…

People don't appreciate the consequences of far away activities in general, until you make it explicit like the NSA segment on Last Week Tonight.

Even then they don't give a flying duckling, have you seen that segment? Before the interview they've asked people on the street and they didn't knew who the fuck Snowden was, people who watch LWT are already a tiny privileged portion of society.

FYI Same goes for Real Time, The Daily Show, and the Colbert Report.... You are literally preaching to the choir....

Re: Nvidia adds telemetry to latest drivers

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Post by alkonaut »

nitrogen wrote: post #172
alkonaut wrote: post #89

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If a program isn't evil, then it does only things that shouldn't require permission. Example: include the OS version and RAM amount in the http request to the upgrade server that is done on every startup. Any info ever collected by no-permissions-asked telemetry must be such that it doesn't matter who has the information or what they do with it. If it isn't information of that kind then of course a program should ask…

One problem is that several seemingly innocuous pieces of data can be combined to create a unique ID. See the Panopticlick for an example.

Yeah, if someone e.g. gets my complete hw fingerprint, I'm identifiable. But it's no worse than I'm already uniquely id'd by visiting pretty much any website today. I don't like it, but I also don't see a point in being outraged when my music player does it but not when my favorite website does it.

Re: Nvidia adds telemetry to latest drivers

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Post by vetinari »

dogma1138 wrote: post #168
vetinari wrote: post #120

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Wayland is actually there; it has been shipping with Fedora for some time and for 25 (release in less than two weeks), it is going to be default. There is still problem with switchable GPUs: namely those, where one GPU is using Mesa and the other is not (i.e. Nvidia). Those computers didn't disappear for the face of the Earth, people are still using it and expect it to work, even if there are never laptops available…

Because of MESA, also nvidia tried to make Optimus work on Linux when it supported it couldn't. Intel doesn't supports GPU switching on its MESA drivers it requires the proprietary one. Get the prop nvidia and intel drivers and get nvidia prime and you are golden. Same issue with AMD GPUs with intel CPUs especially the PowerXpress ones.

Intel doesn't have a proprietary driver for GPUs for Linux.

They do have a binary firmware, for Broxton and newer, however that's a thing that runs on the GPU. It does not have anything with how Mesa or other OpenGL stack shares buffers and video output devices.

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Post by Already__Taken »

ronjouch wrote: post #176
arthurfm wrote: post #175

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Here's a less ugly PowerShell version of your script that doesn't have any external dependencies and compares the version of the currently installed driver with the latest (non-beta) driver on NVIDIA's website. $URI = 'http://www.geforce.com/proxy?proxy_url=http%3A%2F%2Fgfwsl.geforce.com%2Fservices_toolkit%2Fservices%2Fcom%2Fnvidia%2Fservices%2FAjaxDriverService.php%3Ffunc%3DDriverManualLookup%26psid%3D101%26pfid%3D8…

Thanks. I hesitated reaching for PowerShell because, although it looks solid, I'm not familiar with it. Even at work, I was automating part of a Windows build last week, and used batch :-/ So I have a few questions to you or knowledgeable PS-passersby: 1. Any recommendations to get started with PowerShell? Good documentation, tooling, linters, useful packages? 2. Are there remaining cases where it's impossible or unr…

1. Start with the ISE, comes with windows. If you can't find it "C:\Windows\System32\WindowsPowerShell\v1.0\powershell_ise.exe" Otherwise VSCode with a plugin is nice but you miss some intellisense magic the ise can do.

1a. with powershell as an administrator run `Update-Help` That's all the help for the commands installed and up to date from online. Get-help and don't forget to use wildcards `get-help get-*` will show every single get command you can run. Get-Verb will show what you should expect things to be called. `Get-module -listAvailable` worth looking at too. Tab complete is your friend.

1b. This and the advenced one are great although quite slow; https://mva.microsoft.com/en-us/training-courses/getting-sta...

2. No? Maybe stuff that's already fine or where working out the signing policy is a hassle.

3. Powershell is wrapped into the "Windows Management Framework" you can install. WMF 5 has PS 5, can install down to Windows 7. 7 shipped with PS 2.0 where you could write cmdlets in powershell itself, before that you had to use C++ and visual studio. PS3.0 is the minimum it's really pleasant to use but 2.0 support isn't crazy.

Re: Nvidia adds telemetry to latest drivers

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Post by Kubuxu »

valarauca1 wrote: post #78
greydius wrote: post #13

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Nouveau has no CUDA support, unfortunately.

CUDA is proprietary to Nvidia. CUDA only exists because Nvidia is attempting to pretend OpenCL, Vulkan, and DX12 don't exist [1]. These require hardware scheduling on the GPU to switch shaders. Rather then dedicated X amount of chip hardware to Y shader for Z ms. It should be noted for GPGPU compute Nvidia is not the correct choice. AMD RX 480 has 5.8TFLOPS @$200 ($37/TFLOP) vs Nvidia GTX1080 8.9TFLOPS @$600 ($67/TFL…

There is difference in job scheduling between AMD and Nvidia. So if you want to optimize your OpenCL applications you can do it only for one of them or do it twice.

Sample applies to integer math, long double math and so on.

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Post by fleetfox »

EugeneOZ wrote: post #181
dlp211 wrote: post #178

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Not sure if this was rhetorical or not, but if it isn't, none of them. The 1070 and 1080 stand in a class of their own. AMD won't have a competitive card in these class until Q1 2017 which will be about the same time that the 1080ti drops. I honestly don't care about this, these threads always attract those who value privacy above all else and believe that every should play on their terms. Most people do not care, an…

I asked just in case if I missed something and AMD secretly developed competitive card. After huge annoyance with required login in GeForce, this story will 100% convince me to uninstall it and check updates manually.

Upcoming Vega cards should be in same performance segment.

Re: Nvidia adds telemetry to latest drivers

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Post by Kubuxu »

dogma1138 wrote: post #164
stirner wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Also there is no problem with switchable GPU's which is specific to nVIDIA anymore the Optimus chip is no longer used Do you have a source for this? In any case, just because some hardware has been recently phased out doesn't mean the manufacturer shouldn't be expected to support it. Not everyone has enough money to buy a new computer every year; I'm a student with an Optimus laptop and I know I won't be able to af…

>If NVIDIA can't be asked to fully support their hardware on Linux, the least they can do is release some documentation so the Nouveau devs don't need to grope in the dark. I don't disagree in principle, but they've killed it, releasing information to make it work might be a problem for them, and since this thing is no longer supported adding compatibility for older devices isn't a high priority for them. It worked p…

Prime and Bumblebee are totally different from Nvidia Optimus. They have to render to render to Nvidia's GFX framebuffer and then copy it to Intel's GFX display framebuffer.

This is much more expensive than hardware implementation of Nvidia Optimus.

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