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The foreign words that seem like English, but aren't

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Re: The foreign words that seem like English, but aren't

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In Estonian Bluetooth is called Sinihammas [1] which literally means "blue tooth", being non indoeuropean language is difficult when you want to loan words, it's often much easier to invent your own word that would follow the existing grammar than wreck your head around all the grammatical problems encountered when you use English words in Estonian sentences.

http://www.arvutikaitse.ee/arvutikaitse-algtoed/sinihammas/

Re: The foreign words that seem like English, but aren't

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Face Control is about your face and it does differ from Dress Code. Clubs that only enforce Dress Code will prohibit you from entering only if your clothes don't match the requirements. Those clubs with Face Control will prohibit your entrance for whatever reason they want. Usually it's just an extortion (левак) and you have to bribe your way in (дать на лапу). Although sometimes, it's about the gender ratio or your…

:) Левак is leftist Extortion makes no sense. Clubs are commercial venues. Everything that personnel extortions comes straight from owners' pocket. So they have huge incentive to figure it out, and I personally haven't experienced that kind of thing.

Левак has nothing to do with politics.

Extortion doesn't come from owner's pockets. That money comes from guests who want to enter the club but won't be able to do so unless they pay.

I always say: Tell me who you work as and I will tell you how you make "left" money.

Re: The foreign words that seem like English, but aren't

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I love these confused loan words (sometimes they are English-English as well, as Australian and American English can collide in my household).

My wife got an advertising postcard (for hair gel) from her sister with a picture of a woman whose hair was whipped into a swirl. The card said "Sei kein Blender" (don't be a "blender"). I was sure this was Dinglish for "don't look like you got your hair caught in a blender -- use our hair gel". But my wife informed me that it was the opposite: "Don't look like everyone else (i.e. blend in): use our hair gel to give yourself an absurd hairstyle"

There are also fun formations from ex pats, like the Franglais "callinsicker" I've heard French friends use in SF when we're speaking French; it literally means "to call in sick" (i.e. skyve off work).

Re: The foreign words that seem like English, but aren't

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They forgot parking in french which is the word for car park. And japanese has so many of such words that are imported from English with a totally different meaning you d need a book to cover them.

So is "ohayo" a naturalized loan from "oh hi!" or is that just my English-speaking ear making false connections?

Re: The foreign words that seem like English, but aren't

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They also have "french dressing" a generic white sauce for salads that we dont even use in France.

Or "french toast". Or "french fries" (well, we have fries in France, but they come from Belgium).

> well, we have fries in France, but they come from Belgium

Doesn't seem like they'd stay fresh...

Re: The foreign words that seem like English, but aren't

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The article mentions the "Association for the German Language", which seems to refer to the prescriptivist "Gesellschaft für deutsche Sprache". It's important to understand that few Germans are even aware it exists and its conservative views are extremely unpopular and non-standard. Even the Council for German Orthography which regulates German orthography as taught in schools only has two Association representatives…

I was amused to see a small glossary in the back of a volume of Novalis, giving such equivalences as "Verbesserung" for "Amelioration" and "Zerlegung" for "Analysis". I know too little of German to say whether the Latinate vocabulary was deliberately displaced, or whether Novalis was outside the main stream of the writers of his day.

Re: The foreign words that seem like English, but aren't

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:) Левак is leftist Extortion makes no sense. Clubs are commercial venues. Everything that personnel extortions comes straight from owners' pocket. So they have huge incentive to figure it out, and I personally haven't experienced that kind of thing.

Левак has nothing to do with politics. Extortion doesn't come from owner's pockets. That money comes from guests who want to enter the club but won't be able to do so unless they pay. I always say: Tell me who you work as and I will tell you how you make "left" money.

ЛEBAK, -а, м. (разговорное неодобр.). 1. Политический деятель крайне левых взглядов. 2. Работник, незаконно использующий рабочее время, орудия или продукты общественного труда для личной наживы. Купить! у левака, и прилагательное левацкий, -ая, -ое и лева-ческий, -ая.-ое.

Every guest who chooses to not participate won't spend money at the club. Every guest who chooses to participate will now spend less money at the club. If you're the club owner you'll definitely make sure that paying customers' entrance to the venue is unobstructed.

Re: The foreign words that seem like English, but aren't

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post #118

The article mentions the "Association for the German Language", which seems to refer to the prescriptivist "Gesellschaft für deutsche Sprache". It's important to understand that few Germans are even aware it exists and its conservative views are extremely unpopular and non-standard. Even the Council for German Orthography which regulates German orthography as taught in schools only has two Association representatives…

I was amused to see a small glossary in the back of a volume of Novalis, giving such equivalences as "Verbesserung" for "Amelioration" and "Zerlegung" for "Analysis". I know too little of German to say whether the Latinate vocabulary was deliberately displaced, or whether Novalis was outside the main stream of the writers of his day.

There are still people who like to Latinise their vocabulary to make up for not really having anything worthwhile to say and I bet they'd pick up the word "Amelioration" if you showed it to them. There's a general trick that you can import Latinate English vocabulary into German and pronounce it German to sound obnoxiously pretentious (e.g. apparently the official German phrase for "lift boy" is "Elevatorführer" which sounds so pretentious to Germans that most people I've pointed this out to thought it was satire).

That said, "Analysis" is a distinct term in mathematics (I think the meaning is the same in English in that context). Outside of mathematics it is actually "Analyse" (such as when analysing a substance in chemistry or inspecting something in close detail in general). I don't think "Zerlegung" is particularly widely used in any context but it might be.

I was a bit confused when I began studying computer science in university because all my prior exposure to programming had been colloquial or in English. But German academia had actually created its own vocabulary for things like stacks ("Stapel") and arrays ("Felder"), which are mostly just exact translations. This seems particularly awkward when nearly all actual programming is done in English and the academic and practical vocabulary clashes so hard.

Re: The foreign words that seem like English, but aren't

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Just to clarify, you think that opposing immigration makes someone a nazi?

No, just like the language lawyering it's neither necessary nor sufficient, but the term is of course a bit fuzzy anyway. I guess "xenophobic asshole" is a more accurate term but I thought "nazi" conveys enough meaning without resorting on language Americans might find offensive.

To clarify: there are valid arguments against immigration and there are especially valid criticisms on how immigration is handled (e.g. I would argue the German approach has for a long time largely consisted of hoping they either go away or magically assimilate on their own). But any argument that is based either on the requirement for immigrants to abandon their entire identity or on ethnicity alone is blatantly xenophobic and dehumanizing.
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