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Re: YouTube Go: YouTube reimagined for the next generation of YouTube viewers

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Post by angry-hacker »

MichaelBurge wrote: post #190
angry-hacker wrote: post #177

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The term is not really advertiser friendly. Adsense (also YouTube) TOS makes it very clear ALL the content needs to be family friendly to begin with. Of course, I understand big labels are given an exception but it doesn't make it less hypocritical.

Why is it hypocritical to cut a deal with certain important clients? Even Stallman recommends selling license exceptions to GPL'd code. Generally speaking, any startup on this site will give preferential treatment to a $50,000/month customer than to a $5/month customer. Even your bank will treat you differently if you want to open an account with a deposit of $2 million than if you want to deposit $25. I don't think…

I understand how world and business work, no problem. I just lined out this is the reason they claim for banning those YT accounts from revenue. I have personally no problem understanding it, but it doesn't make it any less hypocritical.

The same with Google best the practices on showing content first, ads after, same time their search is covered with ads and the content is below fold.

Re: YouTube Go: YouTube reimagined for the next generation of YouTube viewers

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Post by yellowapple »

yhager wrote: post #165
yellowapple wrote: post #134

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NewPipe is what I use exclusively now for YouTube (my phone is currently GApps-free). Works great.

I'm curious, how do you make your phone GApps free? I want to uninstall them but don't want to brick it..

By installing a custom ROM without also installing GApps. For example, I have a Nexus 6P running CopperheadOS, which doesn't include GApps (it, like CyanogenMod, supposedly supports it but makes it optional/separate from the OS itself).

Re: YouTube Go: YouTube reimagined for the next generation of YouTube viewers

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Post by qwertyuiop924 »

eumoria wrote: post #189
flashman wrote: post #152

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I don't see that as inconsistent. The term is 'advertiser friendly'. Plenty of advertisers are happy to be associated with popular artists because their popularity gives the advertiser cover. Equally, they might not want to be associated with a small-time true crime channel.

This is a direct avenue for advertisers to control what content is actually available on YouTube. If you want to make money on YouTube you need to make content that advertisers like first and foremost or you get to make no money at all. It's exactly the control they had during the television era. Smells like weak reason as a guise to gain control over the content presented on the site entirely.

That's always been true, it's just now moreso. This is why creators of content that is offensive (The Jimquisition), niche (Longer videos from people like CGPGrey), or that just want less strings attached are flocking en masse to direct sponsorship (a very old idea, common in the podcasting world, and perhaps most famously enacted by Rhett and Link), or more often to a donation/membership model à la NPR (typically through Vessel or Patreon, this is most successfully done by Crash Course, a show that has a massive budget and is largely payed for by viewers), or to other websites and networks (NormalBoots, HiddenBlock, Channel Awesome (formerly TGWTG) - anywhere that can get other advertisers, or pay the bills somehow).

Re: YouTube Go: YouTube reimagined for the next generation of YouTube viewers

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Post by Ph0X »

lmm wrote: post #179
rpcastagna wrote: post #127

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>> What do they gain from removing advertising from any video? Any money you make is money they make. > They would gain more advertisers paying them money to advertise with them. I don't really understand what you're saying here. Why would more advertisers pay them money if less videos had advertisements?

Advertisers will pay them more money if they can be confident their adverts won't be placed on videos where they would negatively impact the advertiser's brand.

So you're telling me that this probably significant percentage of Youtube creators whose videos fully adhere to the rules and have never had any problems could potentially gain a lot more money for their hard work if these few rare cases decides to clean up their videos a bit to follow rules that have been there for years and that they've agreed to when signing up?

Sounds like a fantastic deal to me, and I don't see why all those other creators should be punished just so that a few can gain money making content that is against the stated rules.

And again, this isn't censorship, if that content is really important to you, it will still be there for everyone to see, just not monetized.

Re: YouTube Go: YouTube reimagined for the next generation of YouTube viewers

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Post by justifier »

personjerry wrote: post #184
gue5t wrote: post #153

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mpv is the gold standard in video players. I use both constantly.

What's the difference between mpv and vlc?

From the readme:

> A not too crappy GPU. mpv is not intended to be used with bad GPUs. There are many caveats with drivers or system compositors causing tearing, stutter, etc. On Windows, you might want to make sure the graphics drivers are current, especially OpenGL. In some cases, ancient fallback video output methods can help (such as --vo=xv on Linux), but this use is not recommended or supported. (o)

Whereas VLC has a similar option but it's sort of an afterthought and you have to activate it, from the wiki:

> The VLC media player framework can use your graphic card (a.k.a. GPU) to accelerate decoding of video streams depending on the video codec, graphic card model and operating system.

(o) https://github.com/mpv-player/mpv/blob/master/README.md

(i) https://wiki.videolan.org/VLC_GPU_Decoding/

Re: YouTube Go: YouTube reimagined for the next generation of YouTube viewers

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Post by tripzilch »

personjerry wrote: post #184
gue5t wrote: post #153

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mpv is the gold standard in video players. I use both constantly.

What's the difference between mpv and vlc?

It has better performance on my old laptop, especially when I hook it up to a 1080p screen. Seeking is more instant. It starts much quicker.

It's more minimal in the interface (basically full-screen with a bunch of kbd shortcuts) but has all the features I need (including playback speed), and even some that are not in VLC--for instance, VLC has a key to advance 1 frame ('e', IIRC) and mpv can step both ways (with ',' and '.').

A few downsides: it doesn't seem to have playlist functionality (not that VLC's playlist UI is that great, but it works). to load a subtitle file, you either need to specify it on the command line or it needs to match the filename exactly, in VLC you can just drag'n'drop any subtitle onto the player to load it or use an Open File dialog. mpv immediately exits when the video is finished playing which is actually nice sometimes, but also can be annoying if you wanted to rewind the last 10 seconds or something or if you seek forward too quickly (maybe mpv has a setting for this though).

On the whole, I use mpv for almost anything. Indeed in combination with youtube-dl, I've made an alias for `youtube-dl --exec "mpv --fs --fs-screen 1 {} &"`, which starts the player immediately after download, full-screen, on the second (big) monitor. I still use VLC whenever I want to watch multiple short videos in a playlist. And of course VLC on Android because it's really for both video as well as playing music--although I feel there should be a better musicplayer, one that allows me to browse my collection through the file system instead of tags (which VLC does) but has a real smooth UI to manage playlists (which has been clunky in most Android players I've tried).

Re: YouTube Go: YouTube reimagined for the next generation of YouTube viewers

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Post by ljk »

quirkafleeg wrote: post #137
ljk wrote: post #110

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https://www.pwnyoutube.com/watch?v=[link] also works

What am I missing here? I paste a Youtube link into one of the hundreds of Google results for "Youtube downloader" and I get a bunch of clear Google video download links in various formats. I paste a URL into "PWN Youtube" and I get this (buried in a mass of other text I don't care about, hard selling me to spam the site on FB/Twitter/Friends): Download this video as FLV or MP4 files Use one of: Peggo | Telecharger(w…

good point; i've been using that link for a long time so it's second nature to me to ignore the warnings

Re: YouTube Go: YouTube reimagined for the next generation of YouTube viewers

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Post by daveloyall »

Ajedi32 wrote: post #94
exolymph wrote: post #55

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Owning is just so much less convenient than renting access. I vastly prefer the experience of using Spotify and Netflix to the experience of maintaining my own music and media collections.

For music at least, you can get the best of both worlds with Google Music. Any songs you purchase, you own. You can download them, back them up, migrate them to a different service, whatever. For songs you don't own, you can still stream them and save them offline as long as you're subscribed. AFAIK no real equivalent to this exists in the video streaming world yet. Plex is starting to come close though: https://www.…

You can download them TWICE. I guess after that you smell like a pirate.

Re: YouTube Go: YouTube reimagined for the next generation of YouTube viewers

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Post by ultramancool »

gman99 wrote: post #167
ultramancool wrote: post #36

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Try NewPipe, it's an open source YouTube downloader and background player for Android: https://f-droid.org/repository/browse/?fdid=org.schabi.newpi...

There is also this app [1] (shameless plug, I wrote it) which uses youtube-dl to download videos off any supported sites. No real UI as it just parses the media URL (when a link is shared to it) and passes it off to the android download manager. I threw it together (over a few hours) simply because I like watching stuff on youtube at 1.5x speed and the android app does not allow you to do it (whereas if you use VLC t…

That's awesome, but you should consider F-Droid because you're probably going to get a takedown on Play if you get any level of popularity.
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