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You suggest using that monstrosity as a phone ?
It looks ..worse than the phone I used 8 years ago https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LG_enV2_(VX9100) .
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Mozilla has stopped all commercial development on Firefox OS
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Re: Mozilla has stopped all commercial development on Firefox OS
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It is a fork of the Java language with its own AOT/JIT compiler, nothing to do with a certified JVM.
Larry Ellison doesn't seem to agree with your "nothing to do with [...] JVM" assertion, to the tune of a 9.3 billion USD lawsuit, and indeed Google itself is developing Fuchsia with no java stack at all in it. Moreover, it's not Linux if you have to use a Java API to do anything useful.
Nothing to do from the point of view of the headaches that brings to those of us that care about Java.
And everything to do regarding being a fork on the Java ecosystem, and I side with Oracle.
It remains to be seen if Brillo or Fuchsia will have any relevance on the market, even when coming from Google.
Re: Mozilla has stopped all commercial development on Firefox OS
#193While I was very excited for FFOS and it's sad to see it go because I generally follow Mozilla endeavors.
I prefer my phone to be a phone and not a general purpose computer. The less complexity the less problems incurred. Few vendors are willing to put in the really hard optimization to make a lowend device work well.
The lowend target of FFOS was an additional concern because it meant the software had to be that much better.
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By middle 2014, many FirefoxOS phones were already months behind on updates and neither Mozilla nor the hardware vendors were putting any effort into supporting their own flagship devices. By that point, the app store was useless, because you couldn't install any apps on most devices due to ABI breakage between versions and a fragmentation worse than Android. Neither CEO did anything to mitigate this issue. I don't k…
> Neither CEO did anything to mitigate this issue. I don't know how that's not bad leadership. Arguably that's great leadership because the CEO knew instantly to cut his or her losses, and not give into the sunk cost fallacy by pursuing this failing venture "because we're so invested in it already; we just have to try harder you see!"
And yet an entire year would pass after that before they announced that the project would be wound down.
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> For most FF is very responsive and there are no problems what so ever. Open dev tools, type `for (;;) {}`. Notice the whole browser becomes unresponsive. This has been improved upon (as in it doesn't block the whole Firefox UI, just merely every single content tab) thanks to Electrolysis partially reaching stable but "there are no problems whatsoever" simply isn't true performance wise (and this is the most obvious…
Open your terminal, type ':(){ :|:& };:'. Notice how the whole OS becomes unresponsive. There is a very simple solution to both these problems, which most people employ to great effect: just don't do that.
Besides that doing `perl -e 'for (;;) {}'` and watching your OS burn down in flames (which it doesn't) is the correct parallel, I'll assume you have overlooked that we have no control on what JS does in whatever page we're presented with, and if it's some heavy handed code it has a significant impact on whatever else I may be doing on an unrelated tab, which feels like going back to plain old cooperative multitasking, upon which the above perl code would effectively be a blight.
Re: Mozilla has stopped all commercial development on Firefox OS
#196Number 1 reason why I didn't pick up an Panasonic 4K TV, because i knew Firefox OS will be dead some day. And number one reason why I REALLY want an APPLE TV Set rather then Apple TV STB. Most of the Smart TV on the market today are total piece of Junk. They are what "Smart"phones were before the iPhone came out. As a matter of fact, SmartTV from China are pretty good on the software front, and lacking ( price cuttin…
I want a dumb display and a smart STB -- because I don't want to have to replace a thousand-dollar display just to get new STB hardware.
It's why I have a TV and a Roku, rather than a Roku TV. Why combine them when their upgrade cycles don't match up?
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#197So we had Jolla, Ubuntu, Mozilla and even Microsoft trying to create a new major player in the mobile OSs market - all pretty much failed to do so. Is it practically impossible? Are we stuck with Android and iOS forever? This tiny selection of options worries me.
Only one of those really makes any money. What's the economic model that would bring a competing OS into existence?
Only one of those really makes any money.
(Yes, I realize I'll be dead, courtesy of dang and his clique. This is for the showdead)
That noise like this gets a pass on here is simply remarkable, and diminishes the entire site. Aside from the tens of billions that Google has made, Android has literally kept huge organizations and tens of thousands of people employed for years. It has a scale of revenue and income that would be a dream for most other industries.
But on here it doesn't "really make any money". Christ. The ignorance.
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You suggest using that monstrosity as a phone ?
Yes, of course. I don't remember the last time I made a voice call, so I don't care at all about that functionality. Really, all I care about is receiving SMS.
I suppose the concern is more regarding the clunkiness of the design, as in, "it doesn't fit in my jeans pocket", not so much the functionality. Like you say, "phone" today is really just a moniker for "tech device I always carry on me".
Re: Mozilla has stopped all commercial development on Firefox OS
#199Number 1 reason why I didn't pick up an Panasonic 4K TV, because i knew Firefox OS will be dead some day. And number one reason why I REALLY want an APPLE TV Set rather then Apple TV STB. Most of the Smart TV on the market today are total piece of Junk. They are what "Smart"phones were before the iPhone came out. As a matter of fact, SmartTV from China are pretty good on the software front, and lacking ( price cuttin…
I bought a 2015 Sony TV with Android TV and I'm very happy with it.
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I'm a big supporter of GNU/Linux on the phone. I don't care if Jolla or Ubuntu don't ever make it as "major" players in the mobile OS world. I'd be perfectly happy with GNU/Linux mobile software that's as good as the Linux desktop. I run Linux on my desktop (and laptop), and we're 1% of desktop users. I'd be satisfied with 1% mobile market share. We don't need a billion users, all I want is a hacker-friendly platform…
What's wrong with Android as a hacker-friendly platform?
Drivers, Google Play Services, Googles move towards locking down the OS (now you can't get the local device's Bluetooth MAC address without a system level permission(!)).
I work on Android daily on hardware that is as "hacker friendly" as it comes besides the driver issue, and it fights you tooth and nail.