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Did the Clinton Email Server Have an Internet-Based Printer?

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Re: Did the Clinton Email Server Have an Internet-Based Printer?

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Post by unlinker »

stillusingvb6 wrote: post #160
salgernon wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"She" did nothing of the sort. She told someone she wanted her email available. They said, ok, we'll just host it ourselves. "Whatever, I want my daily suduko and make sure I stop getting those damn linked-in spams". "Ok boss". Seriously, how could anyone really believe she specc'd this out herself? Her staff probably threw it together as a MVP with the full intention of revisiting the implementation "really soon". A…

She asked and they gave her options she didn't like and then worked around it. Big difference

That's implying she understood the implications.

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Post by drakefire »

foota wrote: post #27
drakefire wrote: post #20

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I just don't believe that Hillary Clinton could not get an email account on a government email server and that somehow having exchange at her house with no controls was the last option she had. I can't think of a scenario where a server at her house is better than almost any other option.

It's not according to the parent that she couldn't get an email account, but rather that she couldn't get a "secure smartphone"

What she could not get was a Blackberry. So rather than use the approved device, she decided the simpler solution was to host her own email and just use a off the shelf device? Nothing about this makes any sense.

Re: Did the Clinton Email Server Have an Internet-Based Printer?

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Post by curiousgal »

untog wrote: post #65

Among the more disappointing things in all of this is that there is a rational, important conversation to be had about everyday awareness of security and government inflexibility. But there won't be, because she is Hillary Clinton and it is 2016. Supposedly she got the server set up because the NSA refused to give a politician who travels frequently a secure smartphone. She (I personally believe) was likely ignorant…

>It's all very depressing.

It's not if you don't think about it. And given how it's not personal, that can be done.

Re: Did the Clinton Email Server Have an Internet-Based Printer?

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Post by rat87 »

stillusingvb6 wrote: post #177
chiaro wrote: post #172

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That's a bit of a myth that's come about when compared to Sanders. In reality, her voting record is around the 70th percentile most liberal out of Democrat senators (referring to her last year). http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/hillary-clinton-was-liber...

This is a strange election. We have a Democrat who is pro-war, anti gay marriage, and backed by Saudis and wall Street.

She isn't against gay marriage.

She might be more Hawkish then Trump although considering the fact that Trump is making all his nonsense up as he goes along its really hard to tell. He tacks isolationist since everyone is tired of war and then he tacks we will destroy our enemies since everyone hates ISIS.

The Saudis might not be good allies but they are our allies. Considering Trump has talked about retreating from our nicer allies like South Korea and Japan in terms of everyone for themselves I wouldn't be surprised if they prefer her. It's not like they are donating money to her campaign.

Wall Street is afraid Trump will do something crazy and destroy the economy.

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Post by hugh4 »

jbooth wrote: post #152
therobot24 wrote: post #123

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>> She is also supposedly not the first Secretary of State to have an arrangement of this nature. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/mar/... Politifact rates this idea mostly false.

They rated the statement 'my predecessors did the exact same thing' mostly false. Editorial choice -- they could have rated the statement 'none of my predecessors followed proper procedure for email either' and found it true. Powell maintained his own email but without the server in his house, Rice claims she avoided all email, so we have exactly 0 secretaries of state who've handled email 'the right way' in 220-some…

I dunno, I'd say that everyone prior to nineteen-ninety-something handled it the right way.

Re: Did the Clinton Email Server Have an Internet-Based Printer?

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Post by snsr »

stillusingvb6 wrote: post #175
zzzeek wrote: post #166

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here's a great rebuttal to that: http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/no-hillary-did-not-commit-a-... using this statue to prosecute would not only violate the spirit and intent of the law but also be very unlikely, given precedent, to result in any conviction. Hence a competent prosecutor would likely not seek to prosecute based on this law, nor should they, as it would be a waste of taxpayer money not to mention the ill…

Jan 29th. Seems like the information released in the last few days points to her knowingly violating security protocol. I doubt she will be prosecuted but this has sunk her campaign. It's over.

> It's over.

Far from it

Re: Did the Clinton Email Server Have an Internet-Based Printer?

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Post by rat87 »

zzzeek wrote: post #155
stillusingvb6 wrote: post #150

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Not sure I'd agree. Seems like her voting record aligns more with neocons than liberals (war, traditional marriage, super predators, etc)

Bernie actually voted for the bill related to "super predators", Hillary did not. How Hillary is blamed for that and not Bernie is unbelievable.

He claimed to support it because it included the Violence Against Women Act, and criticized harsh on crime policies. That said high crime rate of the 90s made everyone a bit crazy. Now with dropping crime rates even conservatives talk of reform and jailing fewer people.

http://www.vox.com/2016/2/26/11116412/bernie-sanders-mass-in...

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Post by mikecb »

untog wrote: post #65

Among the more disappointing things in all of this is that there is a rational, important conversation to be had about everyday awareness of security and government inflexibility. But there won't be, because she is Hillary Clinton and it is 2016. Supposedly she got the server set up because the NSA refused to give a politician who travels frequently a secure smartphone. She (I personally believe) was likely ignorant…

This isn't about a secure smartphone, because you can't use a secure smartphone on insecure networks, like with regular email.

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Post by Brendinooo »

x0x0 wrote: post #68
at-fates-hands wrote: post #55

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Here are the two obvious one, and another one that's well. . . more in the vein of the Clinton's being the Clinton's IMHO. http://www.ijreview.com/2015/03/264655-3-federal-laws-hillar... - Executive Order 13526 and 18 U.S.C Sec. 793(f) of the federal code make it unlawful to send of store classified information on personal email. - Section 1236.22 of the 2009 National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) requir…

Nothing that links to the daily caller is a serious news source. Plus the article is a pile of stupid innuendo that conflates what Hillary did with Petraeus providing contemporaneously classified documents to his journalist fuckbuddy. Further, clearly nobody in government had a contemporaneous problem with it since they saw the email address every time they communicated with Hillary Clinton. Whenever they sent her an…

Ad hominem?

Sure, news sources can be biased and we should be discerning when we look at them, but that doesn't automatically mean that the source is automatically wrong 100% of the time.

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Post by GunboatDiplomat »

untog wrote: post #65

Among the more disappointing things in all of this is that there is a rational, important conversation to be had about everyday awareness of security and government inflexibility. But there won't be, because she is Hillary Clinton and it is 2016. Supposedly she got the server set up because the NSA refused to give a politician who travels frequently a secure smartphone. She (I personally believe) was likely ignorant…

Ignorance of the law is not a defense.
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