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Re: Elsevier Complaint Shuts Down Sci-Hub Domain Name

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Post by avani »

raphman wrote: post #162
gipsies wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

- At least in computer science, it's generally professors who organise the peer review (the Program Commitee) - I've heard from several collegues that the editor introduced spelling mistakes. Sure, overall they might get some errors out, but a spellcheck is not needed. - Well yes. But there is no need for that to be expensive. - Do we need them for this? If there really is fraud, previous cases show it's their univer…

I agree with your general perspective. (I have publicly vowed to never act as a reviewer for Elsevier, for example.) However, ignoring the traditional role of publishers does not help our case. Regarding your individual points: - Peer review for CS conferences is usually organized by volunteers, yes. However, this is not true for other, journal-focused disciplines, where there are paid assistants - One might argue th…

- Journals are also often volunteer based, at least in the sciences.

- Publishers really don't do much for spelling/layout. They give you a format to fit in, and then put up an automated system for you to check against.

- Fraud is handled by the community (See: Retraction Watch) much more effectively than by journals.

Re: Elsevier Complaint Shuts Down Sci-Hub Domain Name

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Post by merraksh »

maxerickson wrote: post #72
gradschool wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you aware that unlike musicians, academic researchers don't get paid royalties on their publications? A list of prestigious publications on one's cv leads to funding and job opportunities regardless of whether anyone pays to read them.

Lots of academics are collecting royalties on books. Typically not large royalties, but they are collecting them.

Of the 100 academicians I know (applied math), only a dozen published books and collect royalties. Some of them joke about getting the occasional check of a few dollars every year. These are senior US professors whose salary is good enough that they can joke about the royalties.

Re: Elsevier Complaint Shuts Down Sci-Hub Domain Name

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Post by agumonkey »

omegaham wrote: post #87
chias wrote: post #45

I feel a little tingle of excitement seeing my own papers on Sci-Hub. I mean I get that they're trying to index all publications so it's not a "stamp or approval" or anything... but it does mean that people can actually access the knowledge I tried to throw into the world, which was kind of the whole point in doing it. I'd update my academic website to link my papers to their sci-hub URLs if I didn't think I'd catch…

This reminds me of that old Steve Martin movie, The Jerk , where the protagonist finds out that he's in the phone book. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7aIf1YnbbU

Felt similar seeing my name on https://haveibeenpwned.com/

Re: Elsevier Complaint Shuts Down Sci-Hub Domain Name

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Post by agumonkey »

enraged_camel wrote: post #115
rdiddly wrote: post #102

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"Does this not enrage people?" I think I have rage-fatigue, with all the swindles, con-jobs and injustices I've seen. But I do recognize this as utter bullshit. Though unfortunately every other effort to take from the commons, charge money for it, and build a private fortune, throughout history, has also been bullshit; hence the rage-fatigue. This and things like it, do enrage people, and that's why in the US they gr…

Rage-fatigue is a fantastic way to describe it. People have so many things to worry about already. Their jobs, their families, their college loans, their retirement... Frankly, some publisher charging for access to scientific papers paid for by taxpayers is going to be pretty low on their list of priorities.

I'm fascinated by this. Because we all feel the same, but no efficient solution emerges from this tensions. Or only rarely. We should study this and learn how to make catalysts to trigger change.

Re: Elsevier Complaint Shuts Down Sci-Hub Domain Name

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Post by jheriko »

As much as I completely support freedom of information there is a problem with not respecting the law that seems to be growing...

I might disagree with the law. I might break it intentionally, but I do my due diligence and do it knowingly.

When i get caught I hold up my hands and face the consequences because I entered into that knowingly. I have actually done this irl. This is why I have no respect for this, or for Uber, Aaron Schwartz or this entire ridiculous movement of subversion instead of facing up to the challenge and taking it extremely seriously and tackling it up front and openly with some pride and courage.

I'm glad people are fighting to keep this alive anyway. That imo is part of the right approach, to defeat the law by showing its futility in the face of reality when it is very far into the wrong. But ffs, don't hide from what you have done like some kind of child. Face up to your responsiblity and take it on the chin... and let people be angry about that, because that is an actual, serious wrong.

"Words are wind."

Re: Elsevier Complaint Shuts Down Sci-Hub Domain Name

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Post by Alex3917 »

chias wrote: post #45

I feel a little tingle of excitement seeing my own papers on Sci-Hub. I mean I get that they're trying to index all publications so it's not a "stamp or approval" or anything... but it does mean that people can actually access the knowledge I tried to throw into the world, which was kind of the whole point in doing it. I'd update my academic website to link my papers to their sci-hub URLs if I didn't think I'd catch…

> it does mean that people can actually access the knowledge I tried to throw into the world, which was kind of the whole point in doing it.

I mean obviously it wasn't the whole point if you didn't publish them freely in the first place.

Re: Elsevier Complaint Shuts Down Sci-Hub Domain Name

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Post by al_chemist »

amelius wrote: post #59
zo1 wrote: post #10

Is there a donate location of sorts that we can pay into to support the efforts that the sci-hub person/team/organization is doing? This is a another good cause that I would find worthy to donate to. Edit. Ok, found it: http://www.sci-hub.cc/donate Apparently, only bitcoin donations are possible at the moment. BitCoint Wallet for donations: 1K4t2vSBSS2xFjZ6PofYnbgZewjeqbG1TM

Is it legal to donate?

I think that asking a question like this says a lot about your country.

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Post by taneq »

chias wrote: post #45

I feel a little tingle of excitement seeing my own papers on Sci-Hub. I mean I get that they're trying to index all publications so it's not a "stamp or approval" or anything... but it does mean that people can actually access the knowledge I tried to throw into the world, which was kind of the whole point in doing it. I'd update my academic website to link my papers to their sci-hub URLs if I didn't think I'd catch…

I know what you mean, it's great to feel like you've contributed to the sum total of humanity's knowledge like that.

And now my ego demands that I go check to see whether the one paper I've published is up on there! :D

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Post by refurb »

morgante wrote: post #106
refurb wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed Now, there is a delay (1 year?) between when it's published in a journal and when it's freely released, which I can understand bothers people, but it does eventually make it's way out to the public domain.

This seems to be only NIH-funded medical research. While it's nice to see, that's far from the only federally funded research.

It was expanded back in 2013 to all federal organizations that spend more than $100M in research.

That was just an example link.

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Post by mirimir »

ikeboy wrote: post #188
mirimir wrote: post #184

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No, from its private key! The same key that's used to sign outgoing content, authenticating to the Tor network. Edit: I'm wrong. It's based on the hash of the public key.

How can anyone verify a hash of the private key without having it? Anyway, see https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/doc/HiddenServ...

I don't know the details. But basically, a Tor relay provides some token to the onion server. The onion server signs that token with its private key, and returns the output to the Tor relay. Then the Tor relay verifies that the token was signed by the private key corresponding to the onion hostname.
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