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Re: One-third of SF Bay Area residents hope to leave soon, poll finds

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Post by muggermuch »

blackhaz wrote: post #100
jonny_eh wrote: post #13

What's the number of people that want to move to the Bay Area though?

I'm thinking about moving to either Bay Area or Los Angeles with a family, from Prague. I have a 7 years old kid. I am not sure if that's the right thing. We're doing it for the climate. It's really difficult to find a warm English-speaking country where you won't be culturally isolated from the rest of the world. I can work pretty much from anywhere, however I am not a magnate. Things definitely to be missed: - Prag…

Sydney, Australia.

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Post by bkjelden »

mdorazio wrote: post #168
bkjelden wrote: post #163

I'm one of those in the 1/3rd, currently in the process of moving to the Denver/Boulder area. I knew on paper the housing would be cheaper, but what's stood out to me is how much less crowded it is: You can go to stores and find parking, and not wait 15 minutes at the cashier. You can go to restaurants and actually get a table. You can make unprotected left turns. Things are busy during rush hour, but outside of that…

Are you sure about these things? I feel like this sentiment reflects the Denver/Boulder area 2-3 years ago, but the recent influx of so many people with the exact same thought process as you has significantly dampened the lower population density appeal. For example, I was in Denver in November and there were lines out the door for pretty much every trendy restaurant and dessert place downtown, and traffic was decide…

Yes.

It may be worse than it was a few years ago, but it still feels like a night and day different compared to the bay area.

Re: One-third of SF Bay Area residents hope to leave soon, poll finds

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Post by dpark »

davidw wrote: post #159
oxryly1 wrote: post #31

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You can have good mass transit or affordable housing, but not both. This sucks.

Where I lived in Italy had pretty good mass transit (although not up to northern European levels, most likely) and reasonable house prices. Because it's dense.

Italy has double the unemployment rate and double the poverty rate of the US. It would be pretty shocking if they didn't have reasonable housing prices relative to the US.

For comparison, Seattle is denser than Rome. I'm pretty sure housing is still cheaper in Rome than Seattle.

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Post by selectodude »

rayiner wrote: post #93
avn2109 wrote: post #60

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>> "...but not both." What about Chicago. Way cheaper than New York, and has the second best train system in the country.

You can have affordable housing, good mass transit, and jobs. Pick two.

Chicago is adding knowledge jobs at a pretty impressive clip. If you want to work in a factory though, this isn't the city for you.

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Post by hkmurakami »

jff wrote: post #171
hkmurakami wrote: post #147

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> homes do not depreciate very much as a result of people living in them. I get what you are saying, but this part above isn't a "natural order of things". For example, homes in Japan are expensive (perhaps representing an even larger fraction of lifetime earnings than in the Statse) yet they depreciate like they are cars.

They depreciate like they are cars because Japan focuses on the new. You don't buy a house, you buy the land, knock down the existing house, and build a new one. You don't buy a used car, you buy a new one unless you're broke. There's precious little used market for anything , which can be a boon to those of us who want to buy nice used film cameras from Japanese ebay sellers.

except used video games and used books :)

By the way Yahoo Auctions is much more popular than eBay in Japan so you might check that out.

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Post by bubbleRefuge »

linuxlizard wrote: post #131
jonstokes wrote: post #4

Please don't come to Austin. I moved from SF to Austin a little over two years ago, and I want to make it clear that it's terrible. The food is bad, the people are lame, and all the musicians are out of tune. I hear Chicago is where it's at, so please go there. Or New York. Or anywhere else, really. Just don't come to Austin.

Don't go to Austin. Come to Boise, Idaho instead. https://www.tsheets.com/living-in-boise/ (I don't work for T-Sheets but have friends that do.) We have a great high tech community that is searching hard for more engineers. Great outdoor activities for those few minutes you want to spend away from your keyboard. Low traffic, good wages, great biking environment, decent weather. Move to Boise!

I second this. Lived in Boise for 3 years last decade and its all true. Its a blue city in a red state.

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Post by davidw »

dpark wrote: post #193
davidw wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where I lived in Italy had pretty good mass transit (although not up to northern European levels, most likely) and reasonable house prices. Because it's dense.

Italy has double the unemployment rate and double the poverty rate of the US. It would be pretty shocking if they didn't have reasonable housing prices relative to the US. For comparison, Seattle is denser than Rome. I'm pretty sure housing is still cheaper in Rome than Seattle.

Housing in Italy is not actually cheap. It's just not batshit crazy expensive like the California bay area.

Rome is pretty spread out in terms of a city.

Most of Europe has good public transportation and reasonable housing prices, although of course there are tons of local variations (London is super expensive).

I just don't see any reason why you can't have both decent transportation and reasonable housing prices.

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Post by hkmurakami »

jerf wrote: post #173
hkmurakami wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> homes do not depreciate very much as a result of people living in them. I get what you are saying, but this part above isn't a "natural order of things". For example, homes in Japan are expensive (perhaps representing an even larger fraction of lifetime earnings than in the Statse) yet they depreciate like they are cars.

Honest question: Why? My home is about 30 years old and honestly the only way you'd know that is by recognizing certain features and techniques that pin it to that general time period of construction and code requirements. It's not like everything shows "30 years of wear" on it. (Of course all the surfaces have been replaced at least once over time, but by mass of the house that's not that much; maintenance is mainte…

I do think the psychology is similar to why a car suddenly drops 30% in value the moment you drive in out of the dealer's parking lot.

For what it's worth, the 30 year old house will show wear in places you can't see, like the plumbing or the electrical wiring or the roofing. My parents' place is about 30 years old now and there's a fairly constant stream of small repairs that have been necessary over the last few years.

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Post by yolesaber »

trhway wrote: post #170
yolesaber wrote: post #122

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Yeah because the herd mentality has shown to be correct so often. C'mon you know what you are saying is wrong. I worked in SV/SF and now live in NYC and I much prefer the tech scene here. In fact there's a massive shortage of programmers so you could actually make more money in NYC. But you don't even need to live there. You can work remote. Programming is one of the only jobs you can do literally from anywhere.

>Programming is one of the only jobs you can do literally from anywhere you're putting theory ahead of practice. We're talking right now inside of one more thread where programmers discuss how hard it is to live in BA - don't you feel any contradiction between that fact and your statement? You with your theory reminded me about that joke yesterday in Prairie Home Companion : "People of Galveston can look in the eye o…

You are clearly a troll, albeit a funny one as I've never seen someone refer to PHC on HN before.

Go the Who's Hiring thread today and there's plenty of remote options. I worked remote for a few years. I also worked in gasp the flyover states for a bit too. You really can program anywhere.

Or you can keep drinking the BA kool aid. I spent some time there, not for me, pretty awful place really. But apparently the programming job I work at now outside of the BA doesn't exist according to you?

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