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Almost Nothing About the ‘Apple Harvests Gold from iPhones’ Story Is True

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Re: Almost Nothing About the ‘Apple Harvests Gold from iPhones’ Story Is True

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Post by peyton »

MagnumOpus wrote: post #185
ryanlol wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Assuming the 18T figure is correct, how could you just "move it around"?

Putting it simply, the amount that you pay would be moved from a line item on your pay slip called "private health insurance" paid to Aetna or whoever, to a line item called "medicare contribution" or "national health service contribution" paid to the IRS. On the back end, rather than Aetna shelling out money to the hospital so that you can get treated for free or cheaply, the government would do so - just like it al…

One thing I haven't seen mentioned: how do you design an organization that manages and efficiently allocates $3-4 trillion in spending across the country? Has it been done before? If so, has such an organization been legislated into existence? Meanwhile, Aetna already insures more people than many countries, so it isn't clear what we'd be getting that we aren't already. I'm curious how single payer will help in the US.

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Post by jdimov9 »

techonup wrote: post #86
wolf550e wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

WSJ also has a political agenda, which requires a second source for any story in there, from the other point of view.

This line of argument really needs to be toned down. While it's obviously true that papers like the WSJ, NYT, WashPo, etc. have influential partisan editorial boards, their newsrooms are filled with reporters and editors of various political leanings. More importantly, these reporters are among the best in the country and do their very best to find and report the truth in an unbiased fashion. That's what makes these…

BS. All of mainstream media is (and has always been, by design) a tool for _manipulating_ public opinion, not for reflecting reality. So any talk about objectivity in journalism is utterly misplaced.

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Post by adolph »

c3534l wrote: post #21

What does it say about the world we live in where blogs do more basic journalism than CNN? All that one would have had to do is read the report actually provided. I don't think I'm being too extreme when I say that, apart from maybe PBS, there is no reputable source of news in America. If you don't believe me, pick a random story, watch it as it gets rewritten a million times through Reuters, then check back on the f…

Recycled click bait travels a score of furlongs before basic journalism has its boots on. Investigative journalism is still sleeping in.

Re: Almost Nothing About the ‘Apple Harvests Gold from iPhones’ Story Is True

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Post by Intermernet »

WalterBright wrote: post #102
randyrand wrote: post #91

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So do CNN, MSNBC, NYT, WaPo, Times, NPR, RollingStone, etc etc etc. No really sure what my point is... but having bias is the norm, not the exception.

They're not biased when they agree with my point of view.

I know you're being tongue in cheek when you make that comment, but one of the more important realizations a person can make is that their personal opinions are biased.

This is however, a completely different question to how correct their opinion is. Judging that is a whole different ball-game.

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Post by Intermernet »

LeifCarrotson wrote: post #89
nradov wrote: post #71

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ISPs probably wouldn't get enough customer adoption of such a service to make it worth their while. Someone needs to resurrect micropayments and figure out a way to make them work. There are a lot of people who don't necessarily want to subscribe to a news site but would be willing to pay a few pennies to read individual articles.

"Resurrect"? I don't recall any time period in which micropayments were successful.

Not in the west, but they're very successful in developing nations. Africa being the primary example.

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Post by Intermernet »

WalterBright wrote: post #97
c3534l wrote: post #21

What does it say about the world we live in where blogs do more basic journalism than CNN? All that one would have had to do is read the report actually provided. I don't think I'm being too extreme when I say that, apart from maybe PBS, there is no reputable source of news in America. If you don't believe me, pick a random story, watch it as it gets rewritten a million times through Reuters, then check back on the f…

I'm wondering when there ever was a golden age of journalism. In the 80's, I was working in an office building that had a natural gas leak for hours and then blew the roof off. I taped the news broadcasts that evening on multiple channels. Each TV news anchor recounted a different set of facts, all them wrong. It was an eye-opener for me. And it wasn't even a case of any agenda, it was just laziness and doing as litt…

I was once a member of a canyoning trip that had a bunch of young teenagers on it (13 - 15 years old). We encountered horrendous weather on the climb out of the canyon and decided to spend the night in an overhanging shelter rather than continue to climb the 300+ meters of cliff face in torrential rain.

The next day we successfully (and safely) made it back to the campsite from which we'd started only to be met with reporters and cameras looking for the story. Basically, they wanted some quote, from somebody, that they could use to pin-point the delay onto a single person, and exaggerate the danger that we were in. The fact was that we decided to take the least risky option in the face of unpredictable, extreme weather. The reporters didn't think this was enough and there was a multi-week long witch-hunt to try to blame it on trip leaders, despite the fact that no-one was harmed (if we'd chosen to continue the climb out in the horrible conditions we faced, then someone would have very likely been harmed).

This was my eye-opener to how the media operate. Instead of "Group of young adventurers safe from freak storm" it became "Irresponsible trip leaders cause near-death of youths".

If it won't sell, it's not news.

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Post by RockyMcNuts »

lukesed wrote: post #141
RockyMcNuts wrote: post #139

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are those the guys who said it's a myth that the government played a central role in the development of the Internet? http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB100008723963904444643045775390... WSJ is not even a shadow of what it once was.

That article is in the opinion section.

If your paper has a fantasy fiction section so fools can live in a dream world, it doesn't get my subscription dollars, no matter how many floors of journalists it has.

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Post by talmand »

eru wrote: post #143
the0nly0ne wrote: post #135

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only way to get unbiased news is from a source that doesn't have advertisers, so they can truly speak their mind and report on the real news. No Agenda Show [1] (podcast) is pretty reliable source of information as they're 100% listener funded. They basically 'deconstruct' traditional news media, politics and world events and go above and beyond anything that will be ever produced by 'mainstream news' The show is hos…

What makes you think advertisers are the only bias? Listeners want to hear what they want to hear, too. What does help is getting some news from outside the country. At least that will give you a different view. (Eg I remember all the German newspapers blowing in the same direction about something Deutsche Bahn did a while ago, while only the Neue Zurcher Zeitung (from Switzerland) dissented.)

I would see the difference between a non-sponsored host openly displaying bias through their own opinions versus a sponsored host presenting a bias based on their advertisers.

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Post by at-fates-hands »

techonup wrote: post #86
wolf550e wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

WSJ also has a political agenda, which requires a second source for any story in there, from the other point of view.

This line of argument really needs to be toned down. While it's obviously true that papers like the WSJ, NYT, WashPo, etc. have influential partisan editorial boards, their newsrooms are filled with reporters and editors of various political leanings. More importantly, these reporters are among the best in the country and do their very best to find and report the truth in an unbiased fashion. That's what makes these…

>> their newsrooms are filled with reporters and editors of various political leanings.

Depsite what most people say, this is the case for FoxNews, but you'd be hard pressed to convince any Liberal of this fact.

Also, people frequently confuse a "commentator" with a "journalist"

Commentator - Karl Rove

Journalist - James Rosen

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Post by randyrand »

Intermernet wrote: post #194
WalterBright wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're not biased when they agree with my point of view.

I know you're being tongue in cheek when you make that comment, but one of the more important realizations a person can make is that their personal opinions are biased. This is however, a completely different question to how correct their opinion is. Judging that is a whole different ball-game.

Do it one better and realize even your own culture is biased and largely arbitrary and then you will really have a broadened POV.
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