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SF tech bro: ‘I shouldn’t have to see the pain, struggle, despair of homeless’
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Re: SF tech bro: ‘I shouldn’t have to see the pain, struggle, despair of homeless’
#192"Bro" is an interesting word. At this point it seems to be broad enough to just mean "outgroup"; apply to any context as needed.
But specifically "white, male, young" outgroup person that I want to demonize.
Re: SF tech bro: ‘I shouldn’t have to see the pain, struggle, despair of homeless’
#193To play devil's advocate, he's right. He shouldn't have to see the pain, struggle, and despair of homeless - the city government should be providing affordable housing and shelters for the homeless. That it hasn't is a failure of the local government, and should be addressed. Much of the reason that affordable housing is out of reach of many in San Francisco is due to government regulation, not market capitalism. Ext…
I disagree. Handling this on a city level is absolutely wrong. That's how it is in NYC and why taxes are so high in the city. This needs to be a shared expense and program on the federal level. Otherwise, you increase the tax burden in SF and other cities/states compete in a race to the bottom, luring away businesses with their lower taxes.
Homelessness, poverty are not San Francisco's problem, they are America's problem. If the rest of America takes issue with that, perhaps the Union should be questioned.
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#194Certainly not very compassionate, but is it true that the homeless in San Francisco have a drug problem that is making the area unsafe? Is nobody trying to treat or house these people? Shouldn't people take this piece and use it as further evidence that there is a problem that needs to be fixed, rather than merely a culture war they can take part in? As usual, everybody want's to talk about how much of a 'bro' this g…
The "homeless" must want and work (mentally and emotionally) for help in order for it to work. fullstop. In my experience, most do not want to put in the effort to kick the habits, contribute to society in a meaningful way, or tell you it is too late. The reality is a lot of them prefer the "lifestyle" and "freedom" to do whatever the hell they want whenever the hell they want to do it. They have a completely differe…
It's pretty clear that you have absolutely zero experience about mental health or human psychology.
Amongst other things, most people will attempt to adapt to their situation and retain a sense of agency. That is one reason why you'll find that homeless people speak of the positive aspects of their lifestyle and act as though it's a choice. This is no different from a startup founder extolling the virtues of their 80 hour week.
Re: SF tech bro: ‘I shouldn’t have to see the pain, struggle, despair of homeless’
#195Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is a complex issue... but in my experience, most of the homeless are not looking for help to find jobs and/or contribute to society in manner that will lead them out of "homelessness." A lot of them prefer this "lifestyle"... we try very hard to help the people that want help. Most don't. Go talk to your local EMS/Fire department personnel and most of them will have similar stories. I know the homeless people in…
>A lot of them prefer this "lifestyle" I used to also think that many homeless "preferred the lifestyle of homelessness" but I recently learned of a town in Canada (Medicine Hat) that found it more cost effective to house the homeless. This myth that people prefer to be homeless was shattered and this town found that nearly all homeless were able to reintegrated back into having their own places. The mayor was skepti…
The record low °C in SF is -3. I don't think there's anywhere in canada that's even remotely comparable.
Re: SF tech bro: ‘I shouldn’t have to see the pain, struggle, despair of homeless’
#196To play devil's advocate, he's right. He shouldn't have to see the pain, struggle, and despair of homeless - the city government should be providing affordable housing and shelters for the homeless. That it hasn't is a failure of the local government, and should be addressed. Much of the reason that affordable housing is out of reach of many in San Francisco is due to government regulation, not market capitalism. Ext…
The devil doesn't seem to need more help, so maybe you should question your hobbies. That aside, what both you and he miss: the problem with the pain, struggle and despair of homelessness is not a comfortable person having to see it. It is a person having to experience the pain, struggle, and despair of homelessness.
As a San Francisco with 5x his tenure, I am entirely proud that SF has not swept the homeless problem out of sight. I would rather that everybody were safe, whole, and housed. But as long as we have the problems we do, I would rather they be on public display. Because fixing them is going to require public action.
If that is uncomfortable for him, then good. He should be fucking uncomfortable that people are suffering in the streets. I am, and anybody with half a heart is. As long as the pain exists among his fellow residents, he should see it. We all should.
Re: SF tech bro: ‘I shouldn’t have to see the pain, struggle, despair of homeless’
#197I don't want to see homeless people, drug deals, vomiting drunks, or pantless vagrants on my commute to work either. Does that make me heartless? I would hope not because otherwise these problems are not going to be solved. You need people who do NOT want to see that kind of crap on a daily basis to do something about it.
He's being callous and saying that he doesn't want to look at those grubby stinky people. It's not an argument from a place of sympathy. That's very different from seeing a problem and shedding light on it.
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#198I thought Reno and other cities were also dumping a lot of homeless to sf. They had a bus pack of homeless sent to us. They purposely do that to get rip off their homeless on street. That's pretty fuck up
Re: SF tech bro: ‘I shouldn’t have to see the pain, struggle, despair of homeless’
#199To play devil's advocate, he's right. He shouldn't have to see the pain, struggle, and despair of homeless - the city government should be providing affordable housing and shelters for the homeless. That it hasn't is a failure of the local government, and should be addressed. Much of the reason that affordable housing is out of reach of many in San Francisco is due to government regulation, not market capitalism. Ext…
Homelessness is a byproduct of capitalism in the first place, in feudal societies there is no homelessness.
Great satire.
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#200Okay, I think we can all agree this guy is an asshole, and surely doesn't represent the views of most techies in San Francisco, right? Obviously it's fucked that so many people are homeless in San Francisco. Everybody blames us (techies with loads of money) for the homeless problem because we gentrifying the shit out of the place with all our money. And then this guy comes out and says this shit, and that only reinfo…
No, we cannot. I think he's making good points, although a little callously.