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Chart Shows Who Marries CEOs, Doctors, Chefs and Janitors

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Re: Chart Shows Who Marries CEOs, Doctors, Chefs and Janitors

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I find it interesting that many of the IT/Engineering/Tech jobs have a high degree of connectivity to elementary/middle school teachers. So the high salaries are helping to balance out the crap salaries.

reminded how 20 years ago a school principal wife of an older guy in our IT department made sure that all unmarried/unattached guys from the department attended the Women's Day party (Russia) at her school :)

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Why as a queer woman? How's that relevant?

Identity politics is how you shut down rational thought in the postmodern era. Very relevant to how people "argue" now.

Excuse me?

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The usability of the page is pathetic. First, the fonts are too small. If you enlarge then you can't scroll horizontally to see the rest of the titles because the lines get in the way. Didn't anyone think to make the graph clickable instead of just mouse-over. And on top of everything we have the heading of the site that floats and gets in the way. Fucking hell. Someone saw the graph and said, wow let's just use it b…

> Someone saw the graph and said, wow let's just use it because it looks awesome. Close to what happened! The magazine graphic ( https://twitter.com/adamrpearce/status/697844614754123776 ) was finished before I started on the web version, and I just had a couple of days to make something that could go online. I initially tried a more sort of 538/scatterplot/analysis approach, but wasn't making a ton of progress. I st…

I think it's really cool. Saved for later to pick apart the d3 code.

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I'm not sure how that second point works wrt homo women, what do you mean by 'accounted for'? also, not every single female in the surplus needs to be 'available', since it's a statistical implication. a surplus of hetero females correlates with a surplus of 'available' hetero females.

I think the overall meaning is that saying "Good news for guys then", while not a false statement, isn't a complete one either. "Good news for guys and lesbians" would be more accurate. "Good news for folks in the market for women" even more so. I don't think she's in any way suggesting you're wrong, (and neither am I) she just wants you to remember that she exists as well and benefits from this too. I can't speak fo…

I'll leave it to men to decide whether highly educated women being less likely to want to couple with available men is good for them. But I'm surprised anyone would assume it would be.

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Business Insider has run several articles of the urban college female "problem". With 30% more females obtaining college degrees currently than males plus that males generally dont marry up, there is a surplus of 20-something college females in all metropolitan areas except San Francisco and Washington DC. Good news for guys then. One silly article tried explain the success of hookup apps is that more desperate femal…

Males generally dont marry up? Couple things come to mind. Throughout my time, I've seen that women have their fair share of not wanting to marry down either. You want to say generalizations generalizations. Sure, but I think the age old stereotypes do have a hint of truth to them and the Bloomberg page here also states, "High-earning women (doctors, lawyers) tend to pair up with their economic equals, while middle-…

> Males generally dont marry up?

> I've seen that women have their fair share of not wanting to marry down either

"Males generally don't marry up" and "Females generally don't marry down" are exactly the same claim.

Re: Chart Shows Who Marries CEOs, Doctors, Chefs and Janitors

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At first I found this fascinating -- "data shows that CEOs marry assistants" is a good narrative about gender attitudes towards marrying. But as I played with it, I was kind of bummed to learn: most male professions tend to marry assistants, since there are a lot of married female assistants (second only to teachers for females).

I did a quick search for who male Programmers, Executives, and Janitors marry (tried to pick a diverse set), and then filtered out the top five female occupations in this data (Teachers, Assistants, Nurses, Misc Managers, Salespersons). The remaining results were: male Programmers marry female Programmers, male Executives marry female Executives, male Janitors marry female Janitors or female Maids.

So I whipped up a script that, instead of measuring the absolute frequency, normalizes the data set against how often the target occupation gets married to. ie instead of just counting common pairings, it measures "how much more likely is profession X (compared to the general population) to marry profession Y?".

For male CEOs, the result is: they marry other CEOs. Male CEOs are 12x more likely to marry a female CEO than males in other professions are. They are also 12.6x more likely to marry embalmers! 7x more likely to marry Announcers, 5.3x more likely to marry "Dancers and Choreographers", and 4.9x more likely to marry "Public Relations and Fundraising Managers". They are only 1.2x more likely to marry a Secretary than other males are.

For male programmers, it is similar: male programmers are 20x more likely to marry female programmers than other male occupations are. This is because only 0.2% of men marry female computer programmers, but 3.4% of male programmers do. Male programmers also marry female Materials Engineers (20x more likely), Information Security Analysts (13x), "Surveyors, Cartographers, and Photogrammetrists" (10x), and "Architects, Except Naval" (8x).

I also picked one final way of slicing it: "how many more of these marriages did we see than expected" (expected based on the relation frequencies of the two occupations). This is another way of removing "well we would expect a lot of these marriages", but in a way that is less geared towards low-occurrence matches like CEO-Embalmer. For CEOs, the results are: CEOs, Misc Managers, Elementary and Middle School Teachers, Secretaries, Accountants and Auditors. For Programmers, it's: Programmers, Misc Managers, Other Teachers and Instructors, Software Developers, Accountants and Auditors.

Anyway, this isn't to say that these other ways of looking at the data are any "better", they're just answers to different questions.

I threw up the code in a gist -- sorry it's messy https://gist.github.com/kmod/ee6ac3c029641b39d0b6

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Males generally dont marry up? Couple things come to mind. Throughout my time, I've seen that women have their fair share of not wanting to marry down either. You want to say generalizations generalizations. Sure, but I think the age old stereotypes do have a hint of truth to them and the Bloomberg page here also states, "High-earning women (doctors, lawyers) tend to pair up with their economic equals, while middle-…

Of course you'll find some males that "marry up", but the data proves what many of us have known forever - as a man, you should strive to be elite in something , preferably something useful and sexually attractive. Otherwise you're just another brick in the wall. Where this is all going to blow up in society is the fact that women are now better-educated, and will soon make more money than their male counterparts, wh…

I agree a lot with you. Time will tell and we can just hope to carve out the best for ourselves in this big cold world.

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Males generally dont marry up? Couple things come to mind. Throughout my time, I've seen that women have their fair share of not wanting to marry down either. You want to say generalizations generalizations. Sure, but I think the age old stereotypes do have a hint of truth to them and the Bloomberg page here also states, "High-earning women (doctors, lawyers) tend to pair up with their economic equals, while middle-…

Well, anecdotal evidence to match your anecdotal evidence: I'm a female with a master's in software engineering and am marrying a guy with one semester of music school who's been a social worker for 10 years, in the spring. But less anecdotally: for the first time in history, the percent of couples in which the woman has obtained a higher level of education than the man is higher than the other way around: http://www…

"Does marrying someone with less education mean “marrying down” economically? Not necessarily. When we look at the newlywed women who married someone with less education, we find that a majority of these women actually “married up.” In 2012, only 39% of newlywed women who married a spouse with less education out-earned their husband, and a majority of them (58%) made less than their husband."

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> Males generally dont marry up? My wife has a PhD, and is a Senior Data Scientist (why not Chief, who knows), and belongs to a noble Swedish/Finnish family. I am P.O.C. trash, from a (mostly) poor town in S Tacoma, WA. I hit the jackpot. > Unfortunately, their standards have really gone up since receiving said education. I'm not saying this to bash, it's simply my observation. I suspect that part of it has to do wit…

Parkland?

Yes. Though I often times claim Spanaway, since I attended Spanaway Elem, Spanaway Jr High, and Spanaway Lake Highschools.

Re: Chart Shows Who Marries CEOs, Doctors, Chefs and Janitors

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I think that's a class thing. Auditors, teachers and RNs are all solid middle class, female heavy gigs. Teachers and RNs have the added bonus of an awesome schedule.

All the RNs I know have terrible schedules where they work 12 hour days 4 days in a row with three off, or something similar. Plus lots of on call time.

The standard RN schedule is 12-hr shifts, but 3 days on and 4 off.. So they work 36-hours per week. Often times they can build their own schedules, so they can work something like, Th - F - S - S - M - W then have a week off without PTO. On-Call is typically voluntary, but typically pays very well past 36-hrs per week.

My wife's a nurse and it's an amazing schedule if you like to travel. Especially in California since they are actually well compensated for their time, and can afford to do so.

Your mileage may vary by state though, we came to California from Michigan where they treated nurses like shit and it was extremely dangerous for patients too (1 ICU nurse taking care of upwards 5 or 6 critically ill patients etc.) but the schedule was pretty much the same.

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