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Flash-Free Video in 2016

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Re: Flash-Free Video in 2016

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Has anyone here that is excited about HTML5 video (and Flash being dead) ever written an enterprise video player? It's a total nightmare in HTML5. You have little control over playback and insight into video events. Meeting business requirements (that Flash fulfilled) with HTML5 video ranges from hard to not possible.

> You have little control over playback This sounds user-friendly. > insight into video events If "insight" means "tracking", this sounds very user-friendly.

Yeah keeping track of where you stopped watching a video so they can continue the video at that time automaticially is indeed user-friendly.

Are you going to tell me view counters are evil too?

Re: Flash-Free Video in 2016

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> we still aren't able to provide the quality of games that we were in Flash 3-4 years ago What's an example of this? The HTML5 and WebGL games I've seen match anything I've seen in Flash. It's true that you need an up to date and capable browser, but that's true of any platform.

10 years ago there were a dozen sites dedicated to flash games that raked in millions of views per month. I couldn't name you a single WebGL site dedicated to games. Where is the modern day Newgrounds? There isn't one. It doesn't exist. And that's a damn shame.

WebGL browser support is terrible.

Re: Flash-Free Video in 2016

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post #185

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To clarify I was mainly talking about the days when HTML video was newish and flash was still a big priority to Adobe, and there was uncertainty which would win. I agree with what you're saying over the long run and certainly today. But I'd have to quibble with saying flash was never better than native playback - presumably so for raw performance, but that wasn't the goal. Flash video was never great for being techni…

The codec problem was real but portability didn't make the performance (or reliability & security) problems inevitable. That was due to Adobe's management seeing the period of browser stagnation & the lack of widely available high-quality codecs as the natural order of things rather than an unlikely opportunity which they'd lucked into. It's interesting to speculate about what might have happened had they chosen to c…

That seems like a pretty facile view to take. Fixing the video delivery problem isn't something Flash randomly lucked into - other technologies (Real, QT, etc) existed for no other reason but couldn't do it, because it was hard. Flash became the de facto global standard for delivering interactive content because it solved that problem, and a bunch of others, for a huge number of people, better than the alternatives, for years. If you didn't like the IDE that's fair enough but it's no grounds to claim the team behind it were money-gougers with no regard for software quality.

Re: Flash-Free Video in 2016

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Pretty much every music streaming service I know of. There were a few that used HTML5, but all of them shut down (most recently rdio). For Spotify, there's a years old request on the forums [0] their support keeps linking people to, but it doesn't seem like they're doing anything about it. Deezer uses Flash for "security reasons" [1] and they don't plan to use HTML5. Someone mentioned Google Play might work, but I ha…

Google Play Music does work without flash but it's a "Labs" feature.

Thanks for the tip...apparently it doesn't work on Firefox, or doesn't work on Linux, or something. I found the switch to enable it, but it's grayed out.

Re: Flash-Free Video in 2016

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post #185

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The codec problem was real but portability didn't make the performance (or reliability & security) problems inevitable. That was due to Adobe's management seeing the period of browser stagnation & the lack of widely available high-quality codecs as the natural order of things rather than an unlikely opportunity which they'd lucked into. It's interesting to speculate about what might have happened had they chosen to c…

That seems like a pretty facile view to take. Fixing the video delivery problem isn't something Flash randomly lucked into - other technologies (Real, QT, etc) existed for no other reason but couldn't do it, because it was hard. Flash became the de facto global standard for delivering interactive content because it solved that problem, and a bunch of others, for a huge number of people, better than the alternatives,…

I base the claim that they were focused on short-term returns on the way bugs went unfixed and performance was neglected for most of that period until it was too late.

They beat Real/QT thanks to marketshare from the bundling deal they'd signed with Microsoft and I really think they thought that would last forever because nobody else would catch up. When the iPhone came out, the public statements made it clear that they didn't seriously expect the no-plugin policy to last or that it'd drive users away – and it certainly never looked like anyone took the ton of problems experienced by Android users seriously enough to take the product out of maintenance mode.

It took years of them being derided as the leading source of browser crashes and exploits before they even started to offer automatic updates in 2012! – and naturally they rolled their own so it didn't work reliably for years.

Similarly, performance was obviously not a priority until it started being heavily mentioned as a reason to prefer the HTML5 stack, at which point they were hopelessly behind and unwilling to invest enough to catch up.

I mentioned my poor support experience because that also fits with the general pattern. The bugs I reported were mostly in the runtime, although the IDE definitely had problems (stability, unreliable debugger, etc.), and all of this was well-known in the community along with the belief that the only way to get attention was if you worked somewhere large enough to buy millions of dollars worth of licenses.

All of that is consistent with my theory that the product management was focused on the short-term and loathe to spend money on anything which wasn't critical, which left them in the unenviable cycle of reacting late to threats from a year or two ago rather than leading anything. If they'd invested in quality during the early 2000s the last decade might have gone very differently.

Re: Flash-Free Video in 2016

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post #143

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XP machines? In 2016? That's solving the wrong problem.

XP is still a big problem. About 14% of Firefox users are running XP, about the same share as running Windows 10. Google says they will drop support for Chrome on XP and Vista in April 2016. They already extended their XP EOL twice before (from December 2015 and April 2015), so there's a good chance they will need to do it again.

I had an old Xp-based laptop running as a file-and-print server. It was behind a router, so not even fully public. Nothing was even running on it besides SMB shares, VNC, and a media server.

Some kind of botnet must have hit it, because one day I got a bandwidth-consumption notice from my ISP and found that an SSH server and a torrent system had been installed.

Re: Flash-Free Video in 2016

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post #109

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There are no DRMs on the NYT streams (hls.js supports AES encryption, but it's not exactly a DRM liek Widewine or Playready). Firefox Android doesn't have Media source Extensions, that allow HLS support in HTML5 : http://www.jwplayer.com/html5/mediasource/

Firefox on Android is supposed support MSE (for MP4/H.264, but not WebM/VP9). For example, YouTube MSE works in Firefox. Is it broken for you? That JW Player page is out of date. It also says MSE doesn't work on Firefox desktop. :)

I recall reading somewhere that there's a whitelist for MSE and only a few sites are enabled on FF right now?

Re: Flash-Free Video in 2016

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there's no Brightcove neither videojs, VHS was built from scratch and we have plans to open source it.

btw, what does "VHS" stand for? It's an awesome name. :)

hey! VHS is actually a tribute to the old "Video Home System" :) We also name our releases with 80s movies, here are some examples of the latest versions:

- 2.63.0 Coming to America - 2.60.0 The Terminator - 2.59.0 Full Metal Jacket

Re: Flash-Free Video in 2016

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Firefox on Android is supposed support MSE (for MP4/H.264, but not WebM/VP9). For example, YouTube MSE works in Firefox. Is it broken for you? That JW Player page is out of date. It also says MSE doesn't work on Firefox desktop. :)

I recall reading somewhere that there's a whitelist for MSE and only a few sites are enabled on FF right now?

Yes. There was a temporary whitelist while Firefox MSE was still in development (to workaround some API incompatibilities on some video sites), but the MSE whitelist was removed in Firefox 42 (November 2015) allow all websites to access the MSE APIs:

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1185611#c6

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