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GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Clearly you haven't been apprised of the current rules. Hatred of white males is categorically not racism, because they have all the power.

I am a young white male with no money, no job and bad health. Can I please have some of this mysterious magic power I am supposed to have?

the same fucking idiots with their heads up their asses will never understand "privilege" no matter how many times people patiently spell it out for you.

it makes you look stupid.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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> "We’re trying to build a new kind of enterprise company where the playbooks of old won’t always work" By replacing flat meritocracy and remote work with traditional top-down management? > "don't think we'll succeed teaching white, male middle managers empathy and compassion anytime soon, so let's limit their scope of damage" So the technical director and member of the social-impact team is a blatant racist.

This makes me sad. I thought you were being over the top about the racism but then I saw the slides in the article: http://static2.businessinsider.com/image/56b3d2462e526543008... My first reaction is that the language of "us" vs "them", victims vs oppressors, reeks of hatred. Hatred undermines productive conversation, which undermines any attempt at building a good culture. I would have to listen to the whole presen…

This is blatant racism yes. I have posted this with a mention of here name on LinkedIn and Twitter and asked her to clarify this slide. Maybe a bit of public pressure will do the trick for her to come forward.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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This makes me sad. I thought you were being over the top about the racism but then I saw the slides in the article: http://static2.businessinsider.com/image/56b3d2462e526543008... My first reaction is that the language of "us" vs "them", victims vs oppressors, reeks of hatred. Hatred undermines productive conversation, which undermines any attempt at building a good culture. I would have to listen to the whole presen…

I don't know if you even need to see the whole presentation. A few of the full sentences on that one slide are more than enough to project a strong us vs them attitude of hatred and victim versus oppressor, especially the following bullets: - "This is not work for white folks to lead" - "Some of the biggest barriers to progress are white women" - "we need solidarity with our Asian friends and colleagues" This is blat…

solidarity with asian people is racism, you heard it here first

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Feminism wasn't always as intersectional as it is now. For a long time it was dominated by white women who wanted more equality ignoring and sometimes even opposing equality for people and women of color. Suffragettes are a very good example of this problem. There are a few people now that feel a similar thing is happening in the tech industry right now as well. In that diversity is promoted only in so far as it help…

> For a long time it was dominated by white women who wanted more equality ignoring and sometimes even opposing equality for people and women of color Some of the early suffragettes - including the first female senator in the US[0] - were not just racist, but outright white supremacists. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebecca_Latimer_Felton#Racial_...

She might've been racist as fuck, but I seriously do not get how she could be declared as "one of the biggest barriers to progress". She wasn't even allowed to vote, god damnit.

It's completely incoherent. If the power is overwhelmingly in the hands of straight white man, than straight white women very unlikely to become not some of the biggest "barriers to progress."

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

#195
post #94

First Sourceforge went over to the dark side. Next, Github? This is a huge setback for open source. We need federated open source hosting, where several companies all host the important projects, they all stay in sync, and any client can go to any service for any operation.

Maybe because Sourceforge and Github are not open source.

SourceForge is open source. The software underpinning the way the whole setup works is called Allura. Paid developers at SourceForge keep enhancing it. It's hosted by Apache: http://allura.apache.org/

Github is closed source.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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I love both BitBucket and GitLab, have no issues with either.

I'm administrating a small-ish Gitlab server and we have to reboot it every week or else it will fail in random and weird ways due to OOM - the machine has 8GB of RAM and 20 active users, so WTF? Isn't the entire point of git to have one pretty dumb server acting as a file server and letting the client do the work?!

Gitlab is one project that absolutely needs to be rebuilt using Java. Both from a performance and a deployment perspective (deploying a jar is a one line step through jetty).

Something like Akka is probably well suited for Gitlab and it's git hooks.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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I am a young white male with no money, no job and bad health. Can I please have some of this mysterious magic power I am supposed to have?

Do you have an arrest record? If not: there's the magic power. Statistically speaking, a poor young black male is much more likely to have an arrest record than a poor young white male. Edit: holy batman the downvotes. I never considered the possibility that maybe #hnwatch is right.

> Do you have an arrest record? If not: there's the magic power. Statistically speaking, a poor young black male is much more likely to have an arrest record than a poor young white male.

> Edit: holy batman the downvotes. I never considered the possibility that maybe #hnwatch is right.

Its unfortunate that you are being downvoted without comment. The downvotes may or may not be evidence that #hnwatch is correct, it would depend on the motivation. It would not be rational for us to assume that the downvotes are evidence that #hnwatch is correct, in the absence of any explanation for the downvotes.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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I am a young white male with no money, no job and bad health. Can I please have some of this mysterious magic power I am supposed to have?

Do you have an arrest record? If not: there's the magic power. Statistically speaking, a poor young black male is much more likely to have an arrest record than a poor young white male. Edit: holy batman the downvotes. I never considered the possibility that maybe #hnwatch is right.

I live in Germany, so that does not really apply to me ;)

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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This makes me sad. I thought you were being over the top about the racism but then I saw the slides in the article: http://static2.businessinsider.com/image/56b3d2462e526543008... My first reaction is that the language of "us" vs "them", victims vs oppressors, reeks of hatred. Hatred undermines productive conversation, which undermines any attempt at building a good culture. I would have to listen to the whole presen…

Don't see what the big deal is. The slide refers to spearheading a diversity program, not the company itself. Seems intuitive to me that such a program with only white, male managers might be problematic.

Your use of "only" is undeservedly generous of the attitude reflected on that slide. Furthermore, the slide actually doesn't even really address gender as a reason to disqualify someone, just race. They aren't talking about having a diverse group of people, including white males and females, leading diversity. Instead that slide near as I can tell communicates a policy of excluding white people.

Furthermore, I don't understand the racist attitude that somehow white or male people are somehow less qualified to lead a diversity program. Interpersonal skills, knowledge of the myriad diversity initiatives and approaches tried elsewhere and how effective they have been, knowledge of hiring practices, knowledge of recruiting practices, knowledge of retention practices, knowledge of the law surrounding hiring, recruiting and retention practices, professional network, etc. are all the type of things that should be relevant when choosing the most qualified candidates for such a position. Discounting all these and elevating someone's race and gender to utmost importance is blatantly racist policy/attitude.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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This is just gross. I've spent the last 10 years of my life listening to various minority leaders discriminate against whites with no consequence. I hope someone stands up for themselves and sues GitHub for this type of behavior. First off, this is very irrational and not based in any facts. Second off, it's blatant racism and sexism. I will probably migrate my repos to GitLab or even BitBucket shiver . We need to vo…

If you can, avoid Bitbucket. We used them for a few years and it just wasn't good, through and through. I've been really impressed with Gitlab and we use that as a backup right now but I really think I'll be moving all of our repos over to them. Plus, you can even host your own Gitlab server.

I've been using Gitlab for a couple of years, and it's really great. Used a self hosted repo for a team of ~40, and I can't recall any major incidents or any loss of code, ever.
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