Live data from Hacker News

Amazon Snowball

aws.amazon.com

191–200 of 202 posts

Re: Amazon Snowball

#191
post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the idea is that if one needs to recall the data from AWS it's due to something like data loss

If I lost 50TB of data and could fix it for $1500 I would consider myself the luckiest person on Earth.

Well, second luckiest I guess? The luckiest one wouldn't lose 50TB of data in the first place. ;)

Re: Amazon Snowball

#192
post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Centurylink has a pretty formidable IaaS offering, it's very well priced and they charge very little (comparatively) for bandwidth. The only problem is their storage solution is extremely expensive but using S3 or soon Backblaze B2 as a storage layer is good enough for me.

So you're saying S3 is the alternative to S3 ... ?

I said their IaaS is a cheaper alternative to AWS IaaS with the exception of their S3 alternative. I suggested B2 is the cheapest alternative to S3 do you have a suggestion?

Re: Amazon Snowball

#195
post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AWS is the employee that sits there and learns the industry and every inch of the system you have for 5 years, and then one day you wake up and they're not at work. You read the news that morning and they just got 50 million to do their version of your company, and way better than yours. Or they start getting older, don't keep the skills sharp enough, and die off. Now you've got to painfully convince them to help you…

Mainframe Marty shows up.

Who is mainframe marty?

Re: Amazon Snowball

#196
post #187

But can you trust it? When I returned to JPL after working at Google for a year I was tasked with evaluating a Google Search Appliance. We ultimately decided not to keep it, and so we had to erase the disks, which now contained sensitive data. The appliance had a "self-destruct" feature that supposedly erased all the data, but there was no way to verify it. After lengthy negotiations with Google (some people just hav…

From: https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/aws/aws-importexport-snowball-t...

"...The data will be 256-bit encrypted on the host [running the Snowball client?] and stored on the appliance in encrypted form. The appliance can be hosted on a private subnet with limited network access."

So I assume the data is encrypted asymetrically.

"...ship it back to us for ingestion. We’ll decrypt the data [using the private key specified in the job,] and copy it to the S3 bucket(s) that you specified when you made your request[/job]. Then we’ll sanitize the appliance in accordance with NIST Special Publication 800-88 (Guidelines for Media Sanitization)."

That links to http://nvlpubs.nist.gov/nistpubs/SpecialPublications/NIST.SP...

There are a few different types of sanitisation (clear/purge/destroy), and Amazon doesn't specify which type. I assume they would go with "clear", and maybe in a few select places (I'd hope storage media) "purge".

"Clear" is scary though, as for network devices, it is only "full manufacturer’s reset to reset the router or switch back to its factory default settings", and for HDD's it is "Overwrite media by using organizationally approved and validated overwriting technologies/methods/tools. The Clear procedure should consist of at least one pass of writes with a fixed data value, such as all zeros. Multiple passes or more complex values may optionally be used".

So what vector do you want to protect? Accidental data egress shouldn't happen as the data is encrypted. However there are more interesting vectors, such as getting hold of the public key and injecting your own data into another companies buckets...

Re: Amazon Snowball

#197
post #187

But can you trust it? When I returned to JPL after working at Google for a year I was tasked with evaluating a Google Search Appliance. We ultimately decided not to keep it, and so we had to erase the disks, which now contained sensitive data. The appliance had a "self-destruct" feature that supposedly erased all the data, but there was no way to verify it. After lengthy negotiations with Google (some people just hav…

From: https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/aws/aws-importexport-snowball-t... "...The data will be 256-bit encrypted on the host [running the Snowball client?] and stored on the appliance in encrypted form. The appliance can be hosted on a private subnet with limited network access." So I assume the data is encrypted asymetrically. "...ship it back to us for ingestion. We’ll decrypt the data [using the private key specified…

But that's the whole point: Can you trust that the box does what Amazon says it does? Because the Google box did not do what Google said it did, but if I hadn't been very insistent about it (to the point of having a number of people think I was being a total dick), we would never have known.

Re: Amazon Snowball

#198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hasn't really impacted Netflix and pretty much every other customer using AWS.

Amazon just went to war with Apple and Google. Do you really think they won't give Netflix the shaft when it suits their strategic interest?

> Do you really think they won't give Netflix the shaft when it suits their strategic interest?

If it suited their strategic interest, sure Netflix could get the shaft. Is that scenario likely to play out, seems unlikely. Netflix is one of AWS earliest and most prominent customers.

I would imagine Netflix would leave Amazon long before Amazon shifts their strategy to take out Netflix.

Re: Amazon Snowball

#199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hasn't really impacted Netflix and pretty much every other customer using AWS.

Amazon just went to war with Apple and Google. Do you really think they won't give Netflix the shaft when it suits their strategic interest?

[deleted]

Re: Amazon Snowball

#200
Oh amazon please get your naming right. Why does every service have to be named so utterly confusing? I was expected some kind of cloud NLP library. Would have been cool.

Out of curiosity, does anyone have a real life example where they send petabytes over the wire? You know, outside the adult industry.

Post reply on HN