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This is the wrong direction. What users want are unobtrusive ads and what content creators want is to get paid. Apple and Facebook are trying to take advantage of this by pushing users to their AOL-esque walled gardens. We need a browser standard for built-in unobtrusive ads or payments so content creators can get paid and users don't get stuck with AOL 2.0.

Users do not want unobstrusive ads. They may be willing to put up with them, but that is not the same than wanting them.

Nobody in his sane mind wants ads, unobstrusive or not.

Re: “This story is being previewed exclusively on Apple News until Tuesday”

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How do we make text bold for emphasis? or should we just use UTF characters for that?

Please just write normally formatted sentences.

As I answered to several other comments, this is not a helpful suggestion when most typographers suggest to use bold for emphasis of sans-serif fonts, as italic with sans-serif is less noticeable than 𝗯𝗼𝗹𝗱.

Re: “This story is being previewed exclusively on Apple News until Tuesday”

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Wired will be losing ad revenue due to Apple adding ad blocking abilities to mobile Safari. So, Wired moves content to Apple News which has ads that can't be blocked (and Apple conveniently takes a nice juicy cut of).

It's almost certain that Apple's long game is to make this the norm. If there's one surefire way to get people addicted to ad blockers, it's to make them available on mobile devices. Once enough content creators start moving content behind News-walls, then Apple can roll out desktop versions of News. And as people then start asking each other "how do I get ad blocking in my browser as well," Apple's well positioned t…

Can't a simple solution be: websites detect if their ads are being blocked (by iOS9 or whatever) and blur their content until the user disables the adblock?

Re: “This story is being previewed exclusively on Apple News until Tuesday”

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I think there's almost no chance that the percentage of iOS users blocking ads is enough to meaningfully impact Wired's overall revenue from that story. Even given that ad blocking apps have been top sellers, it's still only available on iOS 9, which has been out less than a week. So surely revenue from all web users (without an ad blocker) outweigh the (presumably) tiny amount of ad revenue Wired will earn from Appl…

My understanding of Apple News is that it has nothing to do with iOS 9 content blocking. Apple News is a dedicated app that functions somewhat like an RSS reader serving up a special Readability-style version of the content. Even if you don't install an ad-blocker in iOS 9, you still don't see banner ads and such in Apple News. That said, I imagine you're right and Apple just paid for the exclusive for marketing purp…

The point that is being made is that by cutting off a fraction of mobile ad revenue by allowing blockers, Apple might be seen to be cynically herding content providers towards its walled-garden platform wherein iAd is the exclusive provider of adverts, which cannot be blocked. Whether this is the true intention of their strategy or merely a coincidence is a matter of some (understandably contentious) debate.

Re: “This story is being previewed exclusively on Apple News until Tuesday”

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This could backfire. Surely this should result in a Google penalty against Wired.com for publishing thin content? https://support.google.com/webmasters/answer/2604719?hl=en If Wired wants the article to be exclusive on Apple News, fine, but in that case it should not be on the website. Keep it exclusively on Apple News. There is no content on this page beyond a headline.

It should. But it hasn't yet. Right now, if I google "architect transforming NYC", this article is the first search result. Yet, when I click it, I am told to buy an Apple device and download Apple News.

Re: “This story is being previewed exclusively on Apple News until Tuesday”

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's almost certain that Apple's long game is to make this the norm. If there's one surefire way to get people addicted to ad blockers, it's to make them available on mobile devices. Once enough content creators start moving content behind News-walls, then Apple can roll out desktop versions of News. And as people then start asking each other "how do I get ad blocking in my browser as well," Apple's well positioned t…

I don't think you're taking into account that websites are free to create their own apps, and advertise there. There's little incentive for a content creator to have their content off the net, and into someone else's apps. Im not understanding Wired's motivation here, but I'm not too concerned because Wired isn't the most intelligent publication in the first place.

I pine for the WIRED of yesteryear. The current publication is but a pallid, embarrassing shadow of a formerly brilliant publication. It's now on a par with VICE, GQ or some such, and quite frankly, it is heartbreaking. The guiding light of my youth essentially extinguished (particularly as I grew up in nineties Italy, from where it provided a fascinating and prescient window into the social aspects of tech).

Re: “This story is being previewed exclusively on Apple News until Tuesday”

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Wired will be losing ad revenue due to Apple adding ad blocking abilities to mobile Safari. So, Wired moves content to Apple News which has ads that can't be blocked (and Apple conveniently takes a nice juicy cut of).

It's almost certain that Apple's long game is to make this the norm. If there's one surefire way to get people addicted to ad blockers, it's to make them available on mobile devices. Once enough content creators start moving content behind News-walls, then Apple can roll out desktop versions of News. And as people then start asking each other "how do I get ad blocking in my browser as well," Apple's well positioned t…

This deeply concerns me. There's some debate as to the future efficacy of this tactic, but it is possible to imagine a scenario in which Apple is successful at moving content into its private service. The obvious downside of this is that a single company now controls what used to be an open publishing platform. What are the chances that Apple allows you to publish controversial articles to its service, particularly those criticizing Apple? And how are users on non-Apple platforms to get access to this info? This move doesn't even really benefit Apple users since the news app will still display ads, just controlled by a different tech company. This is good for Apple, but neutral to bad for the rest of us.

Re: “This story is being previewed exclusively on Apple News until Tuesday”

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Well maybe not all ads, but it is clear that the carotid artery of Google is Ads (and web Ads to be specific) so carving off channels and feeding them into Apple at the source device is a way of "competing" without having to have better Ad reach. I continue to think the end of this is going to be some sort of 'content tax' (everythings a paywall) and people will complain about how they don't get any free content any…

The problem with this strategy is it's main assumption: that people want the content so much to switch the device / pay for it.

Well in this case it is the other way around, its that people who have already bought into the device are given this special "privilege" which perhaps makes them feel special.

I think out of the set of possible Internet users, you can differentiate somewhat a group who reads their news on an iDevice. So Apple achieves a certain demographic, and they cater to them with a more curated news experience. Banking on the idea that the people involved will prefer it over the existing channel. Presumably they are already a good group to market to, after all they bought an expensive device and consume news on it, so Apple works to parlay that value into an income stream.

The alternative of having some sort of alternate version of Wired if your user-agent says "iDevice" is much more difficult to control/authenticate relative to the advertiser's expected market.

The next step would be to add blocking vs money as an option. Lets say you buy 1500 "Apple Points" and for 5 points you can "block" (in the sense of it is completely not there) an Ad from your Media. Now when a page comes up and your AdBlocker fires, it consumes 5 points. Perhaps Apple gives 2 points to the media provider to compensate them for not having an ad shown, and keeps 3 pts for itself. Once the user runs out of points and ads start reappearing they can buy more in the Apple Store.

What this does is allows people to convert over from paying with Ad clicks to paying with Apple pts. If you make the conversion rate of Apple Points to dollars fungible, then you can tune the experience to get the most value for the publisher and thus insure them of an income stream, even if all their readers/viewers/players block all of the ads. That then would become the base line value (based on user views) for a property. Robots of course would not have Apple pts and so could be more easily distinguished.

Its a clever plan, I don't know if they can pull it off but something to watch. The current Ad / AdBlocker nonsense is going to reach crisis level here pretty quickly.

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Couple of minutes ago I didn't know about Apple News and didn't care about a superstar architect. Now I still don't care about a superstar architect but already hate Apple News and Wired for presenting me with a link to an article I can not read.

I just made a mental note not to click on any wired link in the future.

It would be nice if hacker news would allow you to block sites in your profile. I'd love to block any article on medium.com, wired.com or nytimes.com; they all seem to be empty fluff articles.

Re: “This story is being previewed exclusively on Apple News until Tuesday”

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This could backfire. Surely this should result in a Google penalty against Wired.com for publishing thin content? https://support.google.com/webmasters/answer/2604719?hl=en If Wired wants the article to be exclusive on Apple News, fine, but in that case it should not be on the website. Keep it exclusively on Apple News. There is no content on this page beyond a headline.

Google should penalize sites that do that exactly the way they are penalizing sites with banners telling visitors to get their app. If you want your content on the web and have the benefits of it being on the web (searchable, linkable, etc) put it on the web. If you want it "exclusively on Apple News", put it there. But you shouldn't get to have your cake and eat it too.

The way Google penalizes itself or other websites?
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