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Re: Stalking Your Friends with Facebook Messenger

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Post by untog »

icebraining wrote: post #175
untog wrote: post #163

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What if they get stuck on the train? There are other, non-lazy reasons for being late. If I'd taken a 30 minute train ride to come and see you, been delayed by 10 minutes, then find you're gone when I arrive I don't think our friendship would last very long.

That was valid before cellphones, nowadays I expect people to call/message if they're late. I suppose that reading Fuxy's post literally implies that no such exception is allowed, but I assume it's not meant to be an inviolable rule.

Don't move anywhere with an underground subway system then...

Re: Stalking Your Friends with Facebook Messenger

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Post by icebraining »

untog wrote: post #181
icebraining wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That was valid before cellphones, nowadays I expect people to call/message if they're late. I suppose that reading Fuxy's post literally implies that no such exception is allowed, but I assume it's not meant to be an inviolable rule.

Don't move anywhere with an underground subway system then...

Our underground subway system here in Lisbon has cellphone coverage.

Re: Stalking Your Friends with Facebook Messenger

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Post by stephengillie »

mynameisvlad wrote: post #174
stephengillie wrote: post #100

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Just like getting a prenuptial agreement - don't worry about it if you don't plan on doing anything with your life. It's easy to forget - but the information they collect can be used by the group that collects it, and by other parties (Gov't TLAs, hackers, insurance companies, banks, business associates, contractors, partner companies). This can happen now, or at some point in the future. The data can be combined wit…

Once again, the same question arises. "why does not caring that Facebook collects that data make me less intelligent?" I don't really care that the data can be collated. I don't really care about the conclusions drawn. It's not just a "oh I haven't done anything wrong, why should I care" argument, it's past that. I couldn't care less that Facebook, the US government, or some intruder knows I went to Whistler last wee…

What if one of the people in your photos later turns up on a no-fly list, and that relationship complicates your run for Governor in 20 years?

It reflects a lack of concern for "future-you", a way of closing off certain options in life that might hurt you later.

Re: Stalking Your Friends with Facebook Messenger

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Post by socket0 »

dublinben wrote: post #177
socket0 wrote: post #52

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I like to think that I'm "any intelligent individual", and I use Facebook. That's where some close friends and family are, and if I want to keep in contact with them, that's where I need to be. I understand the nature of the data Facebook collects about me, and I understand what they would like to do with that data. They want to know who I am, what makes me tick, and use that knowledge to show me advertising I'm more…

>if I want to keep in contact with them, that's where I need to be As an intelligent individual, you must recognize that this isn't really true. You were able to communicate with your family and friends before Facebook existed. You can still communicate with them now, over other media like email, telephone, etc. You (and many others) are simply choosing to use a hostile platform to stay in touch because it is 'easier…

I used to live on the same continent as these people, and even then I would live a life parallel to some of these family members. Now I know what they're up to, am reminded of their birthdays, and get photographic proof of their successful reproduction. Social obligations fulfilled.

As for Facebook being a "hostile platform", that's not quite true, is it? When they park a self-driving car they bought off Google outside your house and broadcast your life to everyone you know, that's when they're hostile.

Re: Stalking Your Friends with Facebook Messenger

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Post by Loque »

zatkin wrote: post #24

Hopefully Facebook doesn't treat you differently based on this article. Good luck with your internship!

I'd say he is an awesome hire! Interested and able, also with seemingly a good understand of privacy and social location data. Handling GEO data for individuals is very very tricky.

Re: Stalking Your Friends with Facebook Messenger

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Post by mynameisvlad »

stephengillie wrote: post #183
mynameisvlad wrote: post #174

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Once again, the same question arises. "why does not caring that Facebook collects that data make me less intelligent?" I don't really care that the data can be collated. I don't really care about the conclusions drawn. It's not just a "oh I haven't done anything wrong, why should I care" argument, it's past that. I couldn't care less that Facebook, the US government, or some intruder knows I went to Whistler last wee…

What if one of the people in your photos later turns up on a no-fly list, and that relationship complicates your run for Governor in 20 years? It reflects a lack of concern for "future-you", a way of closing off certain options in life that might hurt you later.

Okay, you have to admit that's a pretty contrived example. Firstly, most people are not going to run for anything in 20 years. The chance of that alone happening is pretty slim. Secondly, how would that complicate my hypothetical run, anyway? If we were going to go by this insanely arbitrary requirement, then everyone in the US will most likely have a photo with someone that ends up on a no-fly list. It's really easy to be in photos with other people, you don't even have to know the person. So what, I knew someone 20 years in the past that had since been put on a list. That has absolutely no implications of my actions or connections in that present day. That said, I could see how the media might react, so that part wouldn't be too far off base in that regard.

But if that's the best argument against it, then I continue to not care about what I put on Facebook. If it comes back to bite me in the ass 20 years from now, then I can deal with it then. I'd rather not completely destroy my social life in the present for a hypothetical scenario that will probably never end up even happening.

Re: Stalking Your Friends with Facebook Messenger

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Post by nl »

stephengillie wrote: post #183
mynameisvlad wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Once again, the same question arises. "why does not caring that Facebook collects that data make me less intelligent?" I don't really care that the data can be collated. I don't really care about the conclusions drawn. It's not just a "oh I haven't done anything wrong, why should I care" argument, it's past that. I couldn't care less that Facebook, the US government, or some intruder knows I went to Whistler last wee…

What if one of the people in your photos later turns up on a no-fly list, and that relationship complicates your run for Governor in 20 years? It reflects a lack of concern for "future-you", a way of closing off certain options in life that might hurt you later.

There are plenty of examples of successful politicians being former friends with actual terrorists. A facebook photo seems unlikely to make that any different.

Re: Stalking Your Friends with Facebook Messenger

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Post by wtracy »

discardorama wrote: post #167
wtracy wrote: post #165

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They released an App Ops-like feature in an Android beta (I think it was KitKat, but don't quote me) and pulled it because it broke compatibility with so many apps. (It caused an exception to be thrown whenever an app tried to access something that had been locked down by the user. Legacy apps obviously couldn't catch the exception, so typically the app would just crash.)

It seems easy to fix: can't they test the app in the app store and see if it can handle the exception or not, and if it can't, return a dummy (0,0) coordinate?

Actually testing every app sounds like a challenge Google isn't interested in taking on.

There's also the question of whether apps will still behave gracefully when receiving dummy data. Some apps may misbehave in ways such that it's not immediately apparent that the root cause is a permissions issue.

Re: Stalking Your Friends with Facebook Messenger

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Post by gcr »

icebraining wrote: post #182
untog wrote: post #181

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Don't move anywhere with an underground subway system then...

Our underground subway system here in Lisbon has cellphone coverage.

Lucky! NYC's subway has complete radio silence.

But people in NYC know that the late party might not have cell phone coverage. Conventions adapt, life goes on.

Re: Stalking Your Friends with Facebook Messenger

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Post by rand334 »

janpieterz wrote: post #66
personlurking wrote: post #25

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I believe rand334 is referring to the video below, regarding US government connections. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIGdWsxHJlM

Those connections show a blurring of the lines between government and corporations, which we all know exist, but don't really seem to indicate an actual active connection currently exists (on that level). It seems to be taking the radical conservative viewpoint of Thiel as granted, while those are at best part of his viewpoint. Also Thiel is supposed to be part of the board of a radical group, but the text was hard t…

What exactly do you think is good, okay, or normal about In-Q-Tel, the CIA's VC firm, having connections to the world's most popular social network... blows my mind.
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