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Re: Microsoft is killing off the Internet Explorer brand

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Post by Already__Taken »

ryandvm wrote: post #154
badsock wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you're being too mild in your side note. The first half of the IE6-9 era was part of a deliberate scorched-earth strategy to harm the open Internet, and the second half was them furiously backpedalling from that when it failed. It wasn't a technical decision, it was cynical business strategy, and having their IE brand get trashed is the least of what they deserve. I'm kind of annoyed with how quickly people a…

It certainly wasn't an act of altruism, but the entire modern web can trace it's AJAXy roots back to Microsoft's decision to eschew web standards. Microsoft added XMLHttpRequest to Internet Explorer so that they could develop Outlook Web Access. IE may have had utterly stank HTML compatibility, but adding XMLHttpRequest and inventing AJAX was probably the single most profound changeset in the history of the web.

Also isn't the css `box-sizing: border-box;` the box model IE wanted to go with in the first place?

[I think this proves what i said right](http://www.paulirish.com/2012/box-sizing-border-box-ftw/)

Re: Microsoft is killing off the Internet Explorer brand

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Post by njloof »

InclinedPlane wrote: post #160
dredmorbius wrote: post #81

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MSIE was never the "best" browser. It may have been better than Netscape, but there were numerous alternatives -- Opera, Galeon, Konqueror, and more. Eventually Mozilla / Phoenix / Firefox picked up the mantel. Then (somewhat) Chrome, though it's getting really effing annoying these days.

IE 4 was far and away the best browser in its day. Nothing else was as fast and as reliable. Netscape had devolved into a steaming pile of garbage which had horrible resource usage problems aside from being massively unstable. Other competing browsers weren't much better than netscape either. It wasn't until years later that things changed.

But Netscape ran cross-platform, without which the WWW would have devolved into a Windows-only niche product. And that would have meant the only tablets today would be running Windows.

Re: Microsoft is killing off the Internet Explorer brand

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Post by njloof »

cssmoo wrote: post #35
nostromo wrote: post #7

> "We’ll continue to have Internet Explorer, but we’ll also have a new browser called Project Spartan" Oh joy, another browser from Microsoft to test. :\

I don't know why you were down voted. We have to support Ie7,8,9,10,11 and 11 for metro in and out of compatibility mode across three fucking platforms due to control styling differences. Now we have Spartan and whatever shtcrock will ship as legacy. We'll lose IE7 when vista is dead. We'll be left with enterprise IE11 well into 2028! Why? In financial services all our clients are cheap, dumb and incompetent. Unpatch…

When Vista is dead? My mother-in-law is still on XP.

Re: Microsoft is killing off the Internet Explorer brand

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Post by rjbwork »

WorldWideWayne wrote: post #157
fuzzythinker wrote: post #145

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One strong reason is to lure back developer love. One reason why most startups use Macs or linux machines is because open source libraries runs on linux and most of the time on OSX without much modifications. Windows is always an afterthought and is lucky if Windows support is available in a few months. MS knows this and knows that if the trend is not reversed soon, Windows market share will decline.

Most online SaaS/Internet startups? Yes. Maybe some on Azure too. Every other type of business startup is going to use Windows because software. Call centers, restaurants, supermarkets, retail stores, real estate, financial, pharmaceutical, etc.

We are a SaaS startup using exclusively Azure. Minus the complete lack of a data warehousing/OLAP service, it's great!

Re: Microsoft is killing off the Internet Explorer brand

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Post by Stoo »

I always thought the Internet Explorer branding was the one thing they got right. If you're not a technical person and you've got a new computer and you're trying to get onto the internet for the first time do you use:

  Firefox  
  Chrome  
  Opera  
  Internet Explorer
The last one says exactly what you want to do.

Re: Microsoft is killing off the Internet Explorer brand

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Post by creshal »

wantab wrote: post #94
badloginagain wrote: post #53

I'm willing to give Spartan a chance, honestly. The ModernIE initiative taken by Microsoft the past few years feels like Microsoft gave IE to a team of competent engineers and told to run with it. They dropped support for older versions of IE and upgraded the technology behind it. Firefox is too slow. As a power user I notice millisecond differences in page render times. I may be an outlier but I think most people wh…

>Firefox is too slow. Despite all the evidence to the contrary? >As a power user I notice millisecond differences in page render times. No you don't. As a web developer, I personally can attest that's not true.

> Despite all the evidence to the contrary?

It's fast in benchmarks… but it's either single-threaded or has horrible locking. One slow script somewhere will not just block the tab, but the entire browser. Good luck hunting it down with 40+ open tabs.

(I really miss Opera 12, it's still the only browser to decouple the UI to its own thread so a long-running script doesn't lock up the page. Or the whole browser…)

Re: Microsoft is killing off the Internet Explorer brand

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Post by josephmx »

Someone1234 wrote: post #41
cheald wrote: post #37

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Modern IE is actually pretty respectable. Its biggest issue is that unlike its competitors, it only works on a single platform.

As does Safari. Apple hasn't updated the Windows version in well over a year.

July 2011, and a lot of people still use it and want full functionality because being 4 years out of date isn't publicized enough

Re: Microsoft is killing off the Internet Explorer brand

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Post by NicoJuicy »

Stoo wrote: post #185

I always thought the Internet Explorer branding was the one thing they got right. If you're not a technical person and you've got a new computer and you're trying to get onto the internet for the first time do you use: Firefox Chrome Opera Internet Explorer The last one says exactly what you want to do.

I'd think something in the line of "Microsoft Web" or "Windows Web" would be better.

The name "Internet Explorer" was right, but the feeling that web developers have with it, ain't. So that's why they have to change it..

If they use Microsoft Web for a cross platform application, the naming would identify Microsoft and "Web". With Windows Web it's solely targetting the Windows platform (and not crossplatform as their goals are changing)

Re: Microsoft is killing off the Internet Explorer brand

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

yuhong wrote: post #168
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #137

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Even Google doesn't support new versions of Chrome on XP anymore. There is just a point where the OS is outdated. Not many people run XP in China anymore. Maybe some netcafes with pirated versions that they don't want to upgrade. Its really been a while since I've seen anyone run XP in Beijing.

They still support Chrome on even XP SP2. What is frustrating is the users running XP SP2 (not even SP3) in Japan and France for example.

I stand corrected:

http://chrome.blogspot.com/2013/10/extending-chrome-support-...

Until next month, anyways :)

Re: Microsoft is killing off the Internet Explorer brand

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Post by cssmoo »

njloof wrote: post #183
cssmoo wrote: post #35

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I don't know why you were down voted. We have to support Ie7,8,9,10,11 and 11 for metro in and out of compatibility mode across three fucking platforms due to control styling differences. Now we have Spartan and whatever shtcrock will ship as legacy. We'll lose IE7 when vista is dead. We'll be left with enterprise IE11 well into 2028! Why? In financial services all our clients are cheap, dumb and incompetent. Unpatch…

When Vista is dead? My mother-in-law is still on XP.

My mother still has a 486 with wordperfect on it. Fortunately it's not connected to the Internet. I'm rather surprised the disk has lasted as long as it has :)
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