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Re: Balanced payments is shutting down

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Stripe has an ACH beta we're letting all Balanced customers into.

Check out Forte Payments. That's who Balanced was using for their ACH processing. https://www.forte.net/

I contacted forte a while ago when i was considering switching from balanced - Their prices were higher than balanced offered:

$19.95 a month for ACH/E-Check $.24 per check verification $.25 per ACH transaction $2.00 Per rejected item fee for ACH Customer Support & Training Included Free Recurring Transaction Manager

Re: Balanced payments is shutting down

#182

Sorry to see Balanced go. They were definitely the most flexible platform available and always pushed the envelope. If you're not using Spreedly, I recommend it because it's a big help in this situation because it allows you to seamlessly switch services without losing any of your customer card data.

If you're not using Spreedly, I recommend it because it's a big help in this situation because it allows you to seamlessly switch services without losing any of your customer card data. Strongest possible +1 for this. I did a live migration from Paypal to Stripe in under 30 seconds once. Spreedly made this as easy as flipping a configuration switch. As far as I can tell, we didn't lose any business as a result of the…

Read your comment wondering if Spreedly was worth the pricing, hit your Edit, realized its totally worth it for a few hundred dollars a month.

Re: Balanced payments is shutting down

#183

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Additionally, prior to the retirement they had advised that they wouldn't be communicating it to subscribers. The retirement was so poorly handled that it's changed the way I think about services that I allow my business to depend on. Aside from a slight bias against anything with a "Google" label, I now consider it a lot more important that a service I'm using is the core business of the company providing it.

Really, I hadn't seen them specifically say that they wouldn't email everyone (although if anyone had thought about it they'd realize it was a bad idea). Yeah, we went with GWDG at the time primarily because it was one of the few good options for a NZ-based company, but it was always a bit strange and I always thought given the lack of maintenance it was likely to get killed. Switched to Stripe and much happier, alth…

This is what they said about notifying users:

Google Wallet buyers will not be proactively notified. Keep in mind that if you do not remove your integration before March 2, 2015, your buyers will get 404 errors upon checking out with Google Wallet for digital goods API. To preserve your user experience, we highly recommend removing your integration and migrating to another payment processing solution as soon as possible.

(from https://support.google.com/wallet/business/answer/6107573)

Re: Balanced payments is shutting down

#184

Before this announcement, I'd never heard of Balanced. Reading comments, some people are saying it was a great service. But, it's shutting down, while services less great carry on. This is hard for dev people (like myself) to realize, but if you're looking for commercial success, marketing is generally worth more than the quality of your product.

> This is hard for dev people (like myself) to realize, but if you're looking for commercial success, marketing is generally worth more than the quality of your product.

Disclaimer: I have an MBA.

I don't think that's the case. The factors that contribute to commercial success very much depend on the market that you're operating in and on your company's individual circumstances.

They can include product quality, marketing and PR, cost structure, reach, scale (and economies thereof), revenues, growth, cash flow, and management's ability in a range of areas from crisis management and dealing with bad publicity, to setting the strategy and taking advantage of opportunities as they arise.

For startups who will need to raise more investment rounds, attractiveness to investors also becomes a factor.

Processing credit card payments is a mature market with a commoditised product/service and clear business model. Everyone pretty much offers the same service and, for most customers, price (i.e. how much commission they charge) is the most important differentiating factor[1]. It's a very different market from, say, smartphones, where people are prepared to pay a premium for a "better" product (e.g. the iPhone) despite the fact that they all have the same basic functionality.

When it comes to competing on price, you ideally want to have a lower cost base than your competitors, so you can lower your prices (i.e. charge lower commissions), while still making a profit. One way of reducing your cost-per-transaction (or cost-per-customer) is to exploit economies of scale.

You achieve economies of scale by getting more customers and transaction volume. Marketing is an obvious way to achieve this. And, in a zero-sum market like credit card payments, every customer you win is a customer your competitors can't have.

That's why companies like Stripe are focused so much on growth and expanding into different geographical markets. If they can achieve scale quicker than their competitors, they'll have a competitive advantage and they'll be able to undercut competitors who haven't managed to achieve the same scale (e.g. Balanced).

Other markets are different. In some, customers discriminate on product quality instead of price, or technical excellence (i.e. efficiency) enables a lower cost base.

1: Occasionally, a payments processing company will distinguish itself by establishing a lead in a particular area (e.g. ease of integration) but the competitive advantage is usually short-lived. On this thread, there's much commentary about specific features but these don't matter to the vast majority of customers.

Re: Balanced payments is shutting down

#185

Huge win for Stripe. As a technical lead, I will (personally) never rely on smaller players for payment processing from this point forward. This just cost our engineering team three weeks of work, when we were debating just transitioning an old product to Stripe to begin with. We decided to stick with balanced. Stripe has now certainly solidified a dominant market position.

(Balanced co-founder)

Hi Keith, sorry for any inconvenience this has caused you and the Storefront team. Feel free to email me if you need any help with the migration: jkwade@balancedpayments.com.

I sincerely appreciate the faith you placed in Balanced. I'm sorry we couldn't keep it going, but you're in good hands with Stripe.

Re: Balanced payments is shutting down

#186

Was worried about this for some time. They didn't support major third party shopping carts and ignored Github support tickets for months on end despite IRC help staff suggesting to submit them. They had great payout rules but when Stripe cut down on those times... Balanced was in a bad spot. Happy to see they will transition smoothly to an industry leader, even if their platforms aren't even close to being the same.

hi icelander, Sorry to let you down. If you're a Balanced customer, I'd be happy to answer any questions you have about the transition: jkwade@balancedpayments.com

Re: Balanced payments is shutting down

#187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Really, I hadn't seen them specifically say that they wouldn't email everyone (although if anyone had thought about it they'd realize it was a bad idea). Yeah, we went with GWDG at the time primarily because it was one of the few good options for a NZ-based company, but it was always a bit strange and I always thought given the lack of maintenance it was likely to get killed. Switched to Stripe and much happier, alth…

This is what they said about notifying users: Google Wallet buyers will not be proactively notified. Keep in mind that if you do not remove your integration before March 2, 2015, your buyers will get 404 errors upon checking out with Google Wallet for digital goods API. To preserve your user experience, we highly recommend removing your integration and migrating to another payment processing solution as soon as possi…

So I guess they didn't specifically say they wouldn't email them when the subscription was cancelled but they sure did suggest it! :)

Re: Balanced payments is shutting down

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We are very sad to see Balanced go at https://www.artsy.net - we were an early and loyal customer. Balanced has been very good to us throughout the years. Thank you. We've actually had some support for Stripe too for a small service, an experiment, but were going to delete it and continue using Balanced 100% of the time.

I'd love to hear why you were going to stop your Stripe usage. Totally understand if it was for the sake of consolidation, but if there were product needs that we weren't hitting it'd be great to know :).

Definitely consolidation. And we were generally happy with Balanced.

Lack of pre-funding/escrow was not a big factor, but I can see how it can become one.

Re: Balanced payments is shutting down

#189

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Probably by becoming a highly-trusted, low-risk customer. Payment balance float is all about holding some money in reserve in case of chargebacks. The better your stats are, the less money a processor will insist on holding in reserve.

Balanced did it by default.

I'm not familiar with the volume of data that balance collected at signup. But I am familiar with the volume of info in the PCI's "Know Your Customer" initiative. I i'm going to speculate wildly that balanced got to know their customers during onboarding, rather than waiting until after they started processing payments.

Additionally, I think that a company's level of trust with their customers involves some 'coefficient of risk' regarding potential losses to chargebacks against a low or non-existent reserve. I find the topic interesting, especially the consequences at a federal level if you guess wrong and the "customer" turns out to be laundering money.

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