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Re: Show me the salary!

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It could backfire - if I saw a salary stated on a job ad, I would consider it firm. So it it was too low I wouldn't even consider applying, when perhaps they would have been willing to work something out with me if I did.

Usually they're not. Either because they don't have the budget, or "We just don't do that here".

Re: Show me the salary!

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To be fair, isn't the games industry one of those industries where lower salary is one of the tradeoffs for a "fun" job? I mean so many young coders want to go into the games industry to make games and do what their passionate about. The majority of them realize that being underpaid and overworked isn't their cup of tea, and that they are more likely to be working on the next Super Street Sweeper instead of Halo, but…

Everything you said is true, and that's exactly why I am here. I get to work on one of the biggest games of 2015, but the financial hit I am taking for having a "fun" job is huge. And the demand/supply is a problem,but I think it's overplayed. Like I've said, I work for one of the largest studios in the country, so there is a thousand people applying for every junior position we have, but we have some intermediate/se…

Generally if you can't fill a position, it's because you're not offering enough.

Re: Show me the salary!

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Market rates are complicated, and it's not unusual for employers to do this. For high-value people, the big guys (Google, Amazon, Microsoft) can and will match crazy high counteroffer numbers a lot of the time. It sucks, and this leads to the exact scenario you're describing. The justification these places use is that, "We don't ever want to lose good people simply because of money." The flip side of this is that it'…

Offer Drive looks interesting. You should either internationalise it (right now the salary field only accepts numbers and doesn't specify what currency, and there's no "country" field) or clarify that it's only for your country (presumably the USA, but there's actually no clue about that on your site). Brit here, wanted to take part but wasn't sure if my submission would be meaningful.

Thanks for the feedback! Unfortunately TypeForm (which we're using right now) is a little difficult on the internationalization front, but you're welcome to input the specific unit of currency alongside the value.

Re: Show me the salary!

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Like the point of view. I find that many companies really neglect corporate culture and feeling of belonging when it's decisive for productivity. The salary example shows this well as instead of cooperating, it's already about "confrontation, strategy and often times disappointment at a very early stage with your employer. Probably why I've always had it hard with Corporate culture. Work has to be passionating, whatever the reason.

Re: Show me the salary!

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>I imagine Perhaps you should look at some real examples rather than your imagination: http://99u.com/articles/15527/the-age-of-salary-transparency

I said, "and it definitely can work in a smaller company." I don't have to look at outside examples, I'm part of such a company myself. But if you want to say I'm wrong, show me a company doing this with 10,000 employees rather than 10.

I believe there are some government departments out there (Norway perhaps?) that do this.

Re: Show me the salary!

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How HR knew about their current salary? Did they tell it themselves? Cause it's clearly not beneficial.

In UK your employer can see what you've earned before. As explained elsewhere, it's because unless you run your own company you don't have to do your own taxes. Government does it for you, even if you have multiple jobs they will figure out exactly how much you need to pay without you bothering with it. But the downside is that yes, you have to disclose how much you've earned before(there are situations when you can…

Might be worth mentioning that the P45 form with previous salary only comes into play once a company has hired you and are doing salary tax paperwork.

So declining to state current salary before receiving an offer is still very much a possibility.

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As a technical manager, I regularly have a similar problem. I often hire folks [in Mexico and Brazil] with minimal experience, either fresh from school or coming off their first 1-2yr job(s) out of school. As such, we pay them pretty low. If they prove their value and become key contributors, I naturally want to give them a 50-100% raise after a year or so. This always results in painful discussions with HR/Comp abou…

This is awesome. Kudos to you. You are doing these guys a favour, but it is also very beneficial to the company in the long run. If they are good and aren't treated well then they will leave. It is as simple as that. I'm also guessing that since you're getting them so cheaply to begin with then they're likely still under market rate with a ~75% bump in pay.

I've worked in one company which gave a spontaneous raise after ~1 year, and another that declined to give any raise after years. I know which one has more motivated employees.

Re: Show me the salary!

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That's pretty ridiculous. I guess I don't feel bad about being less than honest when asked by a potential employer about my current salary. It's really none of their business.

It can get worse - I know of people who have been asked by the IB to prove their current salary/bonus levels, to avoid inflation or overstated earnings. They do also verify via the P45 as well. Best bet is to join one, if you have to, from a contractor route. Then you have an advantage, as they know you are most likely on a higher rate and are not willing to muck around with the usual HR demands.

This is why you shouldn't lie about your salary. They'll find out your current salary. If they can prove you lied at interview, you could be fired at any time.

Re: Show me the salary!

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That's awesome that you can do that, congrats! It's definitely a great goal for anyone, to one day get to that point, I totally agree.

Just for anyone who is reading this and wondering if they could or should be saving up this kind of fund, here's a very simple but not unrealistic example. Suppose you're working in software development in the UK, recently graduated and now with a little experience but still quite early in your career. If you're outside London and living in a shared place, maybe your salary is £30k, and your monthly living costs for…

Agree. My strategy is to be able to support myself for at least 6 months if I'm out of job. Currently I'm unemployed, after leaving my last job to look for better opportunities. Turned down 2 offers last month, one from world-renowned university, because taking a job one doesn't think will keep for more than few months, will worsen one's job perspectives.

Re: Show me the salary!

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I would argue that in London it's the fact that talking about salaries is considered rather taboo in tech that perpetuates non-disclosure. I wrote a post about it a while ago: http://blog.zonino.co.uk/on-salaries-in-london-startups/

It is not industry-specific, but rather culture specific. Your wife will chase you if she figures out the neighbour earns more than you. :)
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