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Re: Google Self-Driving Car Project's first vehicle prototype

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oh I sure hope it takes more than a pigeon, but I see your point

I hope it doesn't; consider the PR disaster that'll happen the first time a driverless car hits poor little Fluffy the cat. Nevermind that cars with drivers do that all the time.

Point of fact: Fluffy the Cat was only hit nine times. All the time indeed...

Re: Google Self-Driving Car Project's first vehicle prototype

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A lot of people are bashing the car's appearance, but I think people forget that putting the first driverless cars on the road is as much a PR challenge as it is a technological challenge. Truly autonomous driverless cars is a huge shift in the way we have operated for almost 100 years. There will be a lot of caution and resistance from political groups, concerned citizens, entrenched interests, etc. The car that the…

I don't care how it looks, it if still cannot drive in bad weather, snow, and worse needs detailed up to date maps, its not truly autonomous driving, its like programmed driving with a few extras.

When the cars can come to you where ever you may be, broke down on the side of the road for example, and take you anywhere regardless of conditions then it can be heralded.

As it stands now its nothing more than the automated cars shown as high tech in Jurassic Park.

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Do they really have driverless cars or just cars that run on essentially electronic tracks very carefully determined? If someone moves the location of a traffic light, can a Google car still find the traffic light? Wbat if a bulb in the traffic light is burned out; is the car smart enough to negotiate the intersection with the failed light? What if a bucket of white paint fell on the road yesterday; is the Google car…

A Google car can do that? Yes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsaES--OTzM

They have videos of their cars handling common cases. But what about the corner cases?

I've had a sign disappear on me over night which changed the roads rules at a tricky intersection.

There has been a lot of construction in my area so 2 lane roads had a lane closed off and a traffic controller managed traffic across a single lane.

I've even seen a road that you could drive into and out of, become a road that you can only drive into. There had been traffice controllers during road works managing a single lane all through construction and then the day that it was finished, one direction became a dead end.

Re: Google Self-Driving Car Project's first vehicle prototype

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A lot of people are bashing the car's appearance, but I think people forget that putting the first driverless cars on the road is as much a PR challenge as it is a technological challenge. Truly autonomous driverless cars is a huge shift in the way we have operated for almost 100 years. There will be a lot of caution and resistance from political groups, concerned citizens, entrenched interests, etc. The car that the…

I don't care how it looks, it if still cannot drive in bad weather, snow, and worse needs detailed up to date maps, its not truly autonomous driving, its like programmed driving with a few extras. When the cars can come to you where ever you may be, broke down on the side of the road for example, and take you anywhere regardless of conditions then it can be heralded. As it stands now its nothing more than the automat…

This is silly. I bet you can't drive through a swamp in a jeep, because you haven't acquired the skill. But that doesn't mean the rest of your driving doesn't qualify as real driving.

Re: Google Self-Driving Car Project's first vehicle prototype

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A lot of people are bashing the car's appearance, but I think people forget that putting the first driverless cars on the road is as much a PR challenge as it is a technological challenge. Truly autonomous driverless cars is a huge shift in the way we have operated for almost 100 years. There will be a lot of caution and resistance from political groups, concerned citizens, entrenched interests, etc. The car that the…

> The car that they put forward first needs to be non-threatening, safe, and easy to adopt. Moreover, I think Google wants their car to be recognizable as a driverless car . They don't want it to blend in, because people would (at least for now) think that was "spooky"—that any car anywhere around them could be being secretly driven by a robot. Instead, the visual distinctness means that it's instantly clear that the…

Well I guess we wont get these in Europe (due to rain) but there are lots of cars that look like that here already.

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Uber have the right idea here; own the platform, not the infrastructure. Lets face it, a cars spends most of its life stationary, waiting for you to drive it. Not so the autonomous vehicle. Autonomous vehicles are freed from the shackles of parking so why not lease your car to Uber and have it earn money as a cab? The future will be a bad time to get into car parking.

You won't lease or own self driving cars. That makes no sense. You will just subscribe to a drive service if you drive a lot or just pay per ride and have one pick you up. I easily see you scheduling regular events (leave for work at 8, for example) and your car will be out front waiting each day.

But everyone wants to drive to work at the same time so there is very little saving from central provision (and thats the main use, at present in the US). It makes the rental model much less attractive.

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The oatmeal wrote about it: | Google's new fleet was intentionally designed to look adorable... By turning self-driving cars into an adorable Skynet Marshmallow Bumper Bots, Google hopes to spiritually disarm other drivers. I also suspect the cuteness is used to quell some of the road rage that might emerge from being stuck behind one of these things. They're intended as moderate-distance couriers, not open-road warr…

Is the 25mph limit a US thing? In the UK the normal minimum (aside from select residential zones where the neighbours complain) is 30mph. Many people would be very annoyed to sit behind a car doing 5 below the speed limit.

25 miles per hour classifies it as a slow moving vehicle which is much less regulated. It also puts it in the same class as bicycles, golf carts, tractors, etc, which are all perfectly road legal.

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This is also a prime opportunity to question the idea of traveling at 85 mph in 4,000 lb. metal boxes that get 13 mpg. In my town, many parents put their newly-licensed teenage children behind the wheels of enormous SUVs in the name of safety, simultaneously reducing the safety of everyone around them. If tanks were street legal, we'd probably have 16 year old kids barreling down the road in them.

Aren't most tanks driven by teenagers already? Of course, they get very specialized training, but it still shows that teens can handle that responsibility under the right circumstances. Actually, I don't really know: how old are the soldiers in a typical tank crew? I guess they might have a couple of years in the service before they get into a tank, so maybe they're early 20's rather than teens.

Real tanks mostly do not drive threw dense citys, so its mute.

Re: Google Self-Driving Car Project's first vehicle prototype

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A lot of people are bashing the car's appearance, but I think people forget that putting the first driverless cars on the road is as much a PR challenge as it is a technological challenge. Truly autonomous driverless cars is a huge shift in the way we have operated for almost 100 years. There will be a lot of caution and resistance from political groups, concerned citizens, entrenched interests, etc. The car that the…

I don't care how it looks, it if still cannot drive in bad weather, snow, and worse needs detailed up to date maps, its not truly autonomous driving, its like programmed driving with a few extras. When the cars can come to you where ever you may be, broke down on the side of the road for example, and take you anywhere regardless of conditions then it can be heralded. As it stands now its nothing more than the automat…

Perhaps because what you describe is not autonomous driving, but human driving. And it's been through a 100 year trial and found to kill over a million people worldwide each year, prevent the elderly and disabled from living full independent lives, and be a huge time and money sink that many humans have to accept.

Snow, heavy rain, being able to go everywhere with up-to-date maps -- these are problems which will find solutions in time. I have no doubt that up-to-date maps will be no problem, considering these vehicles constantly collect centimeter-accurate 3D maps of where they drive and upload them to Google.

And being able to pull over to the side of the road to pick someone up? A simple software feature. There's nothing preventing that NOW.

Don't get caught up in thinking that these things have to be perfect upon release to have a huge benefit.

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Uber have the right idea here; own the platform, not the infrastructure. Lets face it, a cars spends most of its life stationary, waiting for you to drive it. Not so the autonomous vehicle. Autonomous vehicles are freed from the shackles of parking so why not lease your car to Uber and have it earn money as a cab? The future will be a bad time to get into car parking.

You won't lease or own self driving cars. That makes no sense. You will just subscribe to a drive service if you drive a lot or just pay per ride and have one pick you up. I easily see you scheduling regular events (leave for work at 8, for example) and your car will be out front waiting each day.

For commuters, may be that's all there is to it. If I want to go out on a trip with my little one, I'd rather have a bunch of her favorite things in the car (without me having to lug it around every time), and have the convenience of not having to drive, which also makes it much easier to keep her entertained. I'm hoping she'd grow up by the time these are generally available, but I'm sure there are others reasons to own one.
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