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Spidermonkey has passed V8 on Octane performance

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Re: Spidermonkey has passed V8 on Octane performance

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Post by jasonkostempski »

omeid2 wrote: post #167
MichaelGG wrote: post #39

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Same here. Especially as Google becomes more and more evil, Chrome looks less attractive. Even on mobile, I use FF, despite it needing a lot of work and having a lot of rendering and input issues. And Chrome on Android looks very sexy. On desktop, FF is fine, once more. Rust is also one of the most promising languages with a potentially massive impact on the world. Not only safer software, but exposing more programme…

I am actually still going back and forth between chrome and firefox and it's design was something that was holding me back, specially in a stacking window. Now looking at this I looked through themes and found Simple White[1] something that way out dones chrome and et all in sexy factor. [1] https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/simplewhite/

I would like it if something like that was the default and never changed. They seem to keep trying to jump on whatever style is popular when they start a redesign but by the time it appears in a release version it's way out of date. The developer tools are even worse in this regard, they're not even consistent with the rest of the browser. Themes are much better suited to keeping up with trends, the default should be simple.

Re: Spidermonkey has passed V8 on Octane performance

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Post by wfjackson »

Encosia wrote: post #99
wlesieutre wrote: post #42

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I've been using FF for a while, but partly switched off when I got a Surface (on account of IE's better touchscreen support). But soon I'll be moving from iOS to Android, the wonderful land of being able to change your default browser. And I'll be using FF there for the bookmark syncing. Firefox on 2/3 devices ain't bad. There was a lot of hate over the australis redesign, but I like it better than Chrome.

+1 for IE's touchscreen support. I keep holding out and using Chrome on my laptop for a few extensions and all of the bookmarks/passwords I have synced over the years, but IE makes Chrome look absolutely kludgy and clunky when it comes to performance and UI these days. It's a shame IE doesn't have a more approachable extensibility model...

Rumored to be coming in IE12.

http://www.zdnet.com/how-the-next-version-of-ie-codenamed-sp...

Re: Spidermonkey has passed V8 on Octane performance

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Post by valarauca1 »

SquareWheel wrote: post #170
asadotzler wrote: post #74

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365 days a year for several years Google has had a Chrome banner ad on www.google.com showing to Firefox users. That page is the most lucrative property on the web in terms of eyeballs, so take your most outrageous ad rate you can find and do the math. It's billions per year worth of advertising.

It's also completely free for Google to advertise on their own website.

Yes but that doesn't mean the economic value is non-existent.

Theoretically Google could sell that space. They trade this potential profit to promote their own product, at a loss, of how ever much that space could be sold for. This is like economics 202, opportunity cost.

Re: Spidermonkey has passed V8 on Octane performance

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Post by phaer »

jenscow wrote: post #144
indygreg2 wrote: post #66

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If you sign in to Chrome, your bookmarks and full browsing history are uploaded to Google's servers. Only your passwords are encrypted locally before being sent to Google. https://support.google.com/chrome/answer/1181035 contains info on how the encryption works. chrome://terms/ links to https://www.google.com/intl/en/chrome/browser/privacy/ which links to http://www.google.com/policies/privacy/ to define "how we use…

That's a feature of most "cloud" services that allow multi-device synchronisation. It could be said Google already have your browsing history (of sites that they serve adverts on, or that use their analytics). I doubt Chrome's syncing data would give them any more information than what they have already.

Firefox provides synchronization without relying on 3rd-party servers, you can just use your own or one provided by a trusted friend.

and it's quite easy to block Google from tracking your browsing habits using GA or Ads: just use an Adblocker and something like Ghostery, RequestPolicy or Disconnect to block Google Analytics.

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Post by psykovsky »

MichaelGG wrote: post #161
m_mueller wrote: post #121

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I find duckduckgo quite usable for commonplace CS things such as programming in popular languages. For more obscure things I usually just enter g! [query] into my URL bar, so it will revert to an anonymous google. I find this better even just for the fact that I don't get the filtered down view of the world anymore - if there are things named similarly than the ones I use in the world, I want to know, so I can adjust…

Really? I tried to use DDG, I really did. But the results are just so subpar unless it was a simple "navigational" type search where I knew exactly what I was looking for. I really want to quit Google. I'd even pay for it. But they just dominate by such a large margin.

Have you tried https://startpage.com ?

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Post by jasonkostempski »

jfoutz wrote: post #112
miket wrote: post #58

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Don't forget that a large chunk of Mozilla's revenue comes from Google: http://thenextweb.com/insider/2013/11/21/mozillas-reliance-g...

Isn't it actually whoever will pay the most to be the default search? I mean, I <3 google search, but i'd bet microsoft could pony up quite a bit of cash as well.

Users that settle for defaults are IE or Safari users :)

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Post by pessimizer »

ripdog wrote: post #159
thathonkey wrote: post #155

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What are you talking about? Totally lost after the first sentence here.

DuckDuckGo has a 'bang' feature, where you add a bang like '!g' to search a different site directly. For example, '!g hacker news' becomes ' https://encrypted.google.com/search?hl=en&q=hacker%20news' .

https://duckduckgo.com/bang.html

Re: Spidermonkey has passed V8 on Octane performance

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Post by thathonkey »

swartkrans wrote: post #73
MichaelGG wrote: post #39

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Same here. Especially as Google becomes more and more evil, Chrome looks less attractive. Even on mobile, I use FF, despite it needing a lot of work and having a lot of rendering and input issues. And Chrome on Android looks very sexy. On desktop, FF is fine, once more. Rust is also one of the most promising languages with a potentially massive impact on the world. Not only safer software, but exposing more programme…

I'm using Opera instead of Chrome. I use Chrome Canary for web dev, but Opera is basically Chrome sans-Google. It's got all the same features as Chrome as it's based on Chromium. Just none of the Google account features. I've also dumped gmail for fastmail and am trying out duckduckgo, but if that doesn't work out I'll just use Google in an incognito window.

Just curious why do you use Canary for web dev?

Re: Spidermonkey has passed V8 on Octane performance

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Post by josteink »

miket wrote: post #58
MichaelGG wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same here. Especially as Google becomes more and more evil, Chrome looks less attractive. Even on mobile, I use FF, despite it needing a lot of work and having a lot of rendering and input issues. And Chrome on Android looks very sexy. On desktop, FF is fine, once more. Rust is also one of the most promising languages with a potentially massive impact on the world. Not only safer software, but exposing more programme…

Don't forget that a large chunk of Mozilla's revenue comes from Google: http://thenextweb.com/insider/2013/11/21/mozillas-reliance-g...

> Don't forget that a large chunk of Mozilla's revenue comes from Google

I'd love to support Mozilla as much as possible, but no way I'm keeping the default Google-search when you have stuff like DDG around.

Hopefully me wanting privacy doesn't impact Mozilla's financials too hard. Firefox + DDG only seems like the most natural combination: both are powerful and privacy-centric.

Re: Spidermonkey has passed V8 on Octane performance

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Post by Igglyboo »

Jonanin wrote: post #27
Igglyboo wrote: post #17

As soon as firefox gets per process tabs in stable I'll switch back, I really want to switch from chrome but that's a deal killer for me.

Mozilla is currently testing Electrolysis (or "e10s") [1] - their project to run web content in a separate process - on nightly, and I've been using it for the past few weeks. It's getting pretty reasonably stable, so hopefully we'll see it in a release version soon enough. According to [2], the tentative plan is for Electrolysis to be released with Firefox 36. [1] https://wiki.mozilla.org/Electrolysis [2] http://www…

I've used the nightlies before and had poor luck with them, once e10s goes mainline I'll probably make the switch.
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