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Re: Apple Introduces iOS 8

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Post by kmfrk »

toyg wrote: post #176
georgemcbay wrote: post #21

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"It's worth noting that Google had absolutely everything they needed to do this years ago, and just... didn't." This is so true and so sad. Google Voice, why are you so almost great and so neglected? I have to say though that my disappointment in Google Voice is quickly being matched by my disappointment in Google Maps which actually was great but continually gets less so with each release.

>Google Voice, why are you so almost great and so neglected? Because it pisses off carriers (big telcos), and Android vendors (unlike Apple) really need carriers.

I think Apple were still a little afraid of pissing off carriers, when they didn't make a big deal out of FaceTime Audio calls.

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Post by simonh »

TillE wrote: post #73
bane wrote: post #49

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Google's ability to "release and stagnate" is one of the hallmarks of the company's rather prolific product output. I honestly don't know how products are run at Google, but from the outside it seems that most of them are built and then just kicked off the back of a truck into a waiting crowd. If you hear any news later about a product it seems like it's news about a shutdown.

Yeah, it's really weird to see this pattern repeat again and again. Google has a few flagship products that get proper attention, but everything else...I just don't understand how it even gets developed in the first place, if they don't have a small team to continue working on it post-release.

> Yeah, it's really weird to see this pattern repeat again and again.

If you think through the logic on 20% time and deliberately developing as many different crazy projects as possible in the hope that a few of them pan out and hit the big time, this is the inevitable outcome.

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Post by 0x0 »

criley2 wrote: post #103
wrboyce wrote: post #98

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> Safari will remain the only browser available on iOS https://itunes.apple.com/gb/app/chrome-web-browser-by-google... > ...meaning that any non-Safari browser will remain inferior by intentional design But you just said Safari is the only browser?

wrboyce, you linked me Chrome for iOS. I covered that in my post, please keep up: Chrome for iOS is powered by Safari on iOS, because Apple refuses to allow any other developer use the developers own code and libraries. Chrome is prevented from using Google's inhouse Blink rendering engine and the majority of the rest of the Chrome code and features we know and love on every other platform including Android . Chrome…

Do you have a source for UIWebView being an older version of safari than MobileSafari? I thought they were the same except for the Nitro (JIT) stuff, and even that seems to be changing for iOS8, especially with the Modern Webkit thing that's been showing up in webkit git commits.

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Post by devcpp »

interpol_p wrote: post #144
criley2 wrote: post #36

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Because third party iOS developers are still second class citizens compared to Apple in-house developers. Google doesn't make third party developers second class citizens: it makes apps using the same tools and apis as available to everyone, and distributes them the same way that everyone else distributes their apps. This is a step forward for Apple, but for example: Safari will remain the only browser available on i…

> Google doesn't make third party developers second class citizens: it makes apps using the same tools and apis as available to everyone, and distributes them the same way that everyone else distributes their apps. This is exactly my problem with Google. They seem to prioritise developers over users. Apple does the opposite. As a developer I prefer this — I've been rejected many times, and many times it was because I…

What's so awesome about Android is that Google can't reject you, since you can just install any APKs you want. If you can't appreciate that (among all the other freedom features, like root, ADB, customization, etc), you don't really get Android's philosophy.

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Post by sentenza »

dpcan wrote: post #168
wan23 wrote: post #125

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They announced new family features today that imply that they think each family member should have his/her own device.

Like I'm going to get my 5 year old an iPad. Not happening. I let him use mine, and when he logs in, I want him to see a few educational apps... and that's it. When we're at functions, we see parents let their kids use their iPads all the time, and they are always checking in to see if they've opened their email, or certain games, etc. Maybe just a "Kids" login. It has NOTHING but a few apps of choice show up. Doesn'…

Oh man, I wish more services had a kids login/kids button. Watching videos with my daughter really messes up my youtube recommendations.

YT: "What do you want to watch? Some blood-drinking metal band from eastern Europe? Some fine ladies playing beach volleyball? Richard Hammond racing ice-cream trucks on fire? Or Bob the Builder?"

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Post by _pmf_ »

greggman wrote: post #164
bane wrote: post #50

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I would have agreed with you except I'm actually liking the very latest bump. Telling me which lanes to get into to make an exit? Brilliant. I think it's also taking traffic into account now.

Telling you which lane to get in is like a 12 year old feature of car navigation systems isn't it? I certainly remember the car navigation systems in rental cars from 12 years ago having that feature. Same with taking traffic into account, especially in Japanese systems which have done that since like 2004. If Google finally got around to adding those features that's great but hardly worthy of "brilliant" praise for…

> If Google finally got around to adding those features that's great but hardly worthy of "brilliant" praise for something that's been around for years.

We only do that if it's Apple, right?

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Post by seabee »

dpcan wrote: post #168
wan23 wrote: post #125

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They announced new family features today that imply that they think each family member should have his/her own device.

Like I'm going to get my 5 year old an iPad. Not happening. I let him use mine, and when he logs in, I want him to see a few educational apps... and that's it. When we're at functions, we see parents let their kids use their iPads all the time, and they are always checking in to see if they've opened their email, or certain games, etc. Maybe just a "Kids" login. It has NOTHING but a few apps of choice show up. Doesn'…

I took a look at the 'Kid Mode' feature on my HTC One. After you add a kid it shows some age-appropriate apps (I guess you can add more) and changes the homescreen activity, modifies the lock screen and intercepts access to other apps, so you can't get out of it unless you do so through the app.

It seems to work well enough, but it could really do with more OS integration e.g. prevent access to the notification drawer and multitasking.

However, given the number of people I know who bought an additional iPad specifically for their kid, Apple probably doesn't need to encourage device sharing!

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Post by robmcm »

jfb wrote: post #53
justinator wrote: post #22

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I used to be able to do this with my first color screen'd Sony/Erickson phone and OS X like, 10 years ago via Bluetooth. It was great to work with my Addressbook on the Mac, pick a contact and SMS/Call them. I could also use the phone as a remote control for iTunes, as well.

Yeah, there was a little package called "Bluephone Elite", IIRC, that did this.

Yup, was great. Let you reply to messages, run apple scripts on proximity, answer and dial the phone...

Not sure why it took apple soooooo long to implement?

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Post by robmcm »

dpcan wrote: post #118

Still no user accounts on iPad. The only thing I want, and 8 versions in, it's still not there. Why I can't create a login for my kids on my iPad that hides my mail, calendar, certain games, etc? I don't understand why this isn't possible.

One problem would be disk space, I use 90% of my space so adding another user would be a real issue.

Perhaps a guest mode would be better, access to all the apps already there, but wipes when they log out.

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Post by piyush_soni »

mkaziz wrote: post #133
italophil wrote: post #128

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What is you $18/month plan? I am still looking for a reasonable one in the US.

If you're in the US, check out Black Wireless (GSM, ATT network), or Republic Wireless.

I use 'Straight talk' (with AT&T based sim) in the US. It is not a lot, but still is cheaper than just being with AT&T and also gives me much more high speed data per month. Problems? The high speed internet might not be as reliable as AT&Ts (I feel I get 2G at more places when compared to AT&T), but mostly it is good.

US is really costly when it comes to phone bills. One of the most advanced countries in the world, and can't give cheap internet.

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