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Knuth: Open Letter to Condoleezza Rice (2002)

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Re: Knuth: Open Letter to Condoleezza Rice (2002)

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Amazon is building a $600 million datacenter for the CIA. The CIA did all of the bad things listed in Dropbox article as directed by Bush and Condoleezza, and they are still actively trying to cover up torture. I've never heard anyone here not using EC2 over it? The tech scenes pitchfork mobs are wildly inconsistent. I have a feeling this one hit a nerve because Condoleezza Rice is famously hated across the internet…

The tech scenes pitchfork mobs are wildly inconsistent.

THIS.

Re: Knuth: Open Letter to Condoleezza Rice (2002)

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post #47

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And your point is what? That demonstrating outrage here is in some way invalid since similar outrage was not demonstrated in every other similar situation? Do I have no moral authority to speak up in this situation if I have not before? Maybe we should boycott Amazon. Not boycotting Dropbox because we didn't do the same for Amazon doesn't get us anywhere.

I think C Rice is an disturbing figure because she appears to be a contradiction. Nobody expects much of figures such as Rumsfeld or Chaney - they come across as ruthless unprincipled technocrats who are prepared to do some extraordinary dangerous things in pursuit of their ideological convictions. But CR is obviously highly intelligent and somehow more relatable. Which makes her actions feel like a betrayal. Hence t…

>in pursuit of their ideological convictions

Now that is an overstatement! Please don't give them so much credit. They are just sociopaths in pursuit of (more)power; no ideology behind them.

Re: Knuth: Open Letter to Condoleezza Rice (2002)

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post #89

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Kissinger is widely and wildly despised. East Timor, Cambodia and extending the Vietnam war by years is his bullshit legacy. If someone can reincarnated before they die, then Kissinger => Condoleeza

Yes - this is my point. He is despised, but still is knowledgable, and I'd listen to him about China. Granted this is about tapping specific knowledge. I would never hire someone with a morality deficit as an employee. (And maybe it would be dangerous to have one as the CEO's boss)

I have thought about this, and given his amoral behavior and deeply rooted ulterior motives I could not trust a single thing he said, or even how he said it.

There are plenty of experts on subject matter that are not equivalently tainted.

side note: this is really weird meeting http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10095943/Osborne-Cl...

Re: Knuth: Open Letter to Condoleezza Rice (2002)

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Yes - this is my point. He is despised, but still is knowledgable, and I'd listen to him about China. Granted this is about tapping specific knowledge. I would never hire someone with a morality deficit as an employee. (And maybe it would be dangerous to have one as the CEO's boss)

I have thought about this, and given his amoral behavior and deeply rooted ulterior motives I could not trust a single thing he said, or even how he said it. There are plenty of experts on subject matter that are not equivalently tainted. side note: this is really weird meeting http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10095943/Osborne-Cl...

Fair enough. People rarely only sell half their soul.

Re: Knuth: Open Letter to Condoleezza Rice (2002)

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post #81

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For the record, I'm not asking for Condi to step down or be removed. It would be hypocritical of me to do so--I openly criticized people on HN for asking Eich to step down. From a pure business perspective: I just think it's a bonehead move on Dropbox's part, as other people could have brought similar value with less reputational damage. Views on gay marriage have NOTHING to do with running Mozilla. Views on data sec…

why do you care about seeming hypocritical? do what you feel is right. in the words of Emerson: " A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines. With consistency a great soul has simply nothing to do. He may as well concern himself with his shadow on the wall. Speak what you think now in hard words, and to-morrow speak what to-morrow thinks in hard wor…

Thank you so much for posting this quote. It's not an uncommon one, but I've never seen the whole thing, i.e., the part after the first line.

Point taken :)

Re: Knuth: Open Letter to Condoleezza Rice (2002)

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post #185

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why do you care about seeming hypocritical? do what you feel is right. in the words of Emerson: " A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines. With consistency a great soul has simply nothing to do. He may as well concern himself with his shadow on the wall. Speak what you think now in hard words, and to-morrow speak what to-morrow thinks in hard wor…

Thank you so much for posting this quote. It's not an uncommon one, but I've never seen the whole thing, i.e., the part after the first line. Point taken :)

no problem haha :) thanks for not replying with a snarky comment. If you like this, you should read "self reliance" by Emerson. It is pretty short but wonderfully inspirational, I take care to read it every once and awhile.

Re: Knuth: Open Letter to Condoleezza Rice (2002)

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post #185

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Thank you so much for posting this quote. It's not an uncommon one, but I've never seen the whole thing, i.e., the part after the first line. Point taken :)

no problem haha :) thanks for not replying with a snarky comment. If you like this, you should read "self reliance" by Emerson. It is pretty short but wonderfully inspirational, I take care to read it every once and awhile.

That's exactly where I ended up!

His wisdom is clear from his quotes, but it's something else to read those essays in their entirety. Great stuff.

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