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Elon Musk: To the People of New Jersey

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Re: Elon Musk: To the People of New Jersey

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You might want to turn off updates during road trips.

How about registering your "garage coordinates" with your car's computer so that it can detect when you're on a road trip and give you the option of installing an update or not? (When you are stopped and have parked the car, of course.)

Exactly. In the same way my computer remembers which monitor I plug into it (work, home office one, home office two, etc) and recalls the configuration of the second screen... the car should know when it is plugged into your home charge port. Various features should only be available when plugged into your home charge port.

Re: Elon Musk: To the People of New Jersey

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There is no slippery slope here if the law is states something like: "contracts between existing de-facto oligarchy of car manufacturers and dealers remain as is, new entrants are free to set their own terms". Everyone is talking about how we can't trust Elon Musk since he is acting in his rational self-interest. Yet why should we assume that Christie is acting out of the pure goodness of the heart? Politicians too a…

Everyone is talking about how we can't trust Elon Musk since he is acting in his rational self-interest. Except that Elon Musk's rational self-interest appears to genuinely involve a vision of the world I really like. Given all the money and effort he's put in toward that vision and the many hours of public speaking and personally answering questions consistent with that, you'd better hope he's the real deal.

Indeed, that's why I said rational self-interest and not just profit. His self-interest involves advancing science and technology.

"[I would] rather discover one cause than gain the kingdom of Persia." - Democritus

Re: Elon Musk: To the People of New Jersey

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Musk is massively disingenuous and rather insulting to our intelligence. But he's a heck of a salesman and makes a wonderful car. Like many persuasive people he arrives at an answer and backs into rationale but makes it appear the other way around. I'll give you just one example. The law of the land in NJ is that you can't sell in NJ unless through a dealership. That's the current law. Those laws need to change to al…

I think you missed the part where they instituted new rules effective starting in April, which is when the existing Tesla stores will be reduced to galleries. In your vigor, you seem to have misled only yourself.

Tesla stores are already galleries (with a small repair facility). Purchases are made over the Internet.

Re: Elon Musk: To the People of New Jersey

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post #124

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NPR said it was due to Ford and other auto makers back in the 1920-1930 bullying dealerships. Ford threatened to cancel their business contracts with dealership if the dealerships didn't buy cars that they knew they couldn't sell. During that time, Ford kept their lines running at full capacity even though demand didn't warrant it. The states decided to step in and protect their local dealerships from the megacorp th…

NPR said it was due to Ford and other auto makers back in the 1920-1930 bullying dealerships. Why in heck do we let software companies bully OEMs?

A large part of the MS anti-trust suit in the US was over the pressures they placed on OEMs. An example, BeOS was going to be licensed to Compaq. MS pressured them by threatening to raise the cost of OEM licensed copies of Windows, which would have severely eaten into the profit margin of an already narrow-marginned industry.

Re: Elon Musk: To the People of New Jersey

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I hope people don't forget the profit motive of Mr Musk. It seems technology entrepreneurs have adopted the rhetoric of "just trying to make the world a better place" while conveniently ignoring their own profit making motives. I am no friend of car dealers but I am also not going to be suckered by a self-serving sales pitch. While I don't necessarily support the NJ move, I think we should start asking questions abou…

Elon made enough off PayPal to never have to work.. ever again . Instead he put all of his money into Electric cars, solar power and rockets with a huge chance that he would loose it all (and almost did). I don't think that profit is his motivating factor.

> I don't think that profit is his motivating factor.

People are allowed to have multiple motivations.

Re: Elon Musk: To the People of New Jersey

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Very saddened by the blatant corruption in our government. Where do I vote for a new government based on ethics and accountability (apart from New Zealand).

Voting is an administrative task, not an advocacy action. If you want to change how things work, start advocating. Voting is the end of a campaign, not the beginning.

Re: Elon Musk: To the People of New Jersey

#187
post #15

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Government does not respond to a passive arrangement where you "vote for ethics" every so often. You have to participate more actively. This involves work.

Lets keep the discussion positive. Understand I'm not a political science major or a fancy debater, I don't claim to poses more than average intellegence, I'm just asking a question, hoping someone with more knowledge on the matter has an answer. After working to provide for the family I don't have a lot of free time to commit to politics if that's what you mean by 'participate more actively', is that the only course…

> After working to provide for the family I don't have a lot of free time to commit to politics if that's what you mean by 'participate more actively'

FYI, this is effectively deliberate. You're more useful to companies as a business asset rather than as a political force. It may be worthwhile for you to look into ways to pool resources with other people in order to get enough free time to commit more to politics.

Re: Elon Musk: To the People of New Jersey

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post #24

His best line: > The rationale given for the regulation change that requires auto companies to sell through dealers is that it ensures 'consumer protection'. If you believe this, Gov. Christie has a bridge closure he wants to sell you! Unless they are referring to the mafia version of 'protection', this is obviously untrue. Nicely done, Elon. Nicely done.

Although personally satisfying for the writer, that is a pretty good example of something never to write in a letter that you want to positively influence a situation. Referring to a scandal by a politician when lobbying isn't really going to work, and all letters addresses "to the people" are lobbying.

As a consumer who may consider a Tesla in the future, I like and appreciate this dig. Christie did something underhanded again, let's bring it up to strengthen Tesla's claim that something fishy happened.

Re: Elon Musk: To the People of New Jersey

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post #10

> An even bigger conflict of interest with auto dealers is that they make most of their profit from service, but electric cars require much less service than gasoline cars. There are no oil, spark plug or fuel filter changes, no tune-ups and no smog checks needed for an electric car. Also, all Tesla Model S vehicles are capable of over-the-air updates to upgrade the software, just like your phone or computer, so no v…

An even bigger conflict of interest with auto dealers is that they make most of their profit from service I am old enough to remember what owning a car was like when things were changing away from mechanical devices one could understand and tinker with and becoming nondescript hunks of plastic you had to buy from a manufacturer. (I'm talking about the ignition system, as one specific example.) There was always a bit…

Yeah, I remember those times, too; perhaps less nostalgically than you do. Take your ignition system example. Sure, one could dig in there and replace and adjust the points. But you did it because you had to, you had to do it regularly, and it would be adjusted correctly exactly once: after you did the job. From there, the points immediately started wearing and it would not be exactly right until you did it again. Solid-state ignition, please.

Synchronizing three Weber carbs? Oh, yeah, good times. Good times that involved poisonous mercury to boot. Port fuel injection, please.

Don't get me wrong, there was a time I liked working on cars, too. So much so, I was a professional ASE-certified mechanic for a while. I also like my Scion xB that in 70K miles we've done nothing to except insert gas, change the oil, and put a set of tires on it. I don't miss having to slap new points and plugs in it before a weekend trip.

And for the Tesla tie-in, our Leaf is about as much of an appliance as you're going to get in a car. There's something to be said about a car whose maintenance schedule doesn't fill a page.

> Reliable, boring, convenient transportation is great sometimes, like when you're driving someone going into labor to the hospital.

Or great even for something as simple as getting to work in the morning. I've owned my share of Triumphs and Fiats. I enjoy my dumbed down existence that doesn't involve a late-night session under the hood because I have to be at work the next day.

I mean, I see your point. But if most folks are like the cranky, older version of me now, if they wanted finicky transportation that needs constant maintenance they'd buy a horse.

Re: Elon Musk: To the People of New Jersey

#190
post #34

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Could you explain the reference please?

Gov. Christie's office ordered the most heavily trafficked bridge in the country (if not the world) closed for political revenge. He is desperately trying to throw his staff under the bus to avoid accountability for this. It's a very delicate subject for him right now, and Musk bringing it up is cruel and yet at the same time (imho) totally fair play.

I love it, personally. Elected officials should be dragged over coals publicly for crap like the bridge closure AND this sneaky legislative practice he used to get the anti-Tesla laws in.
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